[js1138]

You won't here an Irishman or a Greek complaining about the Fighting Irish or the Spartans. Conversely, it is considered an honor.

Not if the teams were called the Spicks, Kikes, and Wops -- which are the best equivalent of our Indian names.

[Vaquero]

In my mostly Italian decent neighborhood in the Bronx in the 1950's there was a gang there called the Golden Guineas.

[rwilson99]

Really...

http://weeklyplanet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050824/TPANEWS05/508240437/-1/TPA

For some reason most Native Americans see Redskins, Indians, Braves and Seminoles in much the same way as...

Yankees
Vikings
Padres
Irish
Buccaneers
Packers
Pirates
Cowboys
Rangers

My money is you're not one of them.

[ovrtaxt]

How about the Smith High School Crackers? or Rednecks? or Honkies?

geez, who cares. This is just another excuse for the perpetually offended to have a 'meaningful' life.

[P8ri0]

Seminoles?

[laredo44]

Not if the teams were called the Spicks, Kikes, and Wops -- which are the best equivalent of our Indian names.

I won't believe you without some examples. Are you saying that Illini and Utes are derogatory names for native americans?

[Dr. Free Market]

Your analogy is way off. Fighting Irish and Spartans are EXACTLY like Warriors, Indians, Seminoles, Braves, Chiefs, etc. Other than the "Redskins", with which I tend to agree, how are those others in any way related to the derogatory names you mentioned, other than in someone's miniscule-minority-of-a-minority-hypersensitive-need-something-to-complain-about-to-feel-important-publicity-seeking mind?

[Antoninus]

Not if the teams were called the Spicks, Kikes, and Wops -- which are the best equivalent of our Indian names.

No, I don't think so. The vast majority of the teams with Indian names (Braves, Illini, Seminoles, Fighting Sioux, etc.) are positive epithets or simply the names of the tribes. This is a manufactured "outrage" based on a couple of political hacks posing as tribal leaders who have discovered that they can play on "white guilt" just as effectively as Jesse Jerkson can.

[kas2591]

So the "Fighting Illini" is equivalent to Wops (guess the need to change the name of the state too)?
"Utes" are spics?
"Seminoles" are Micks?

Yes, we're through the looking glass.

[Texas Federalist]

Not if the teams were called the Spicks, Kikes, and Wops -- which are the best equivalent of our Indian names.

Seminoles and Illini = wops and spicks? You're on crack.

[Ole Okie]

Not if the teams were called the Spicks, Kikes, and Wops -- which are the best equivalent of our Indian names.

Really?

I was raised around Comanches, Apaches, Kiowas, Caddos, Anadarkos, and host of other tribes around Fort Sill. Then my working years were spent around Cherokees, Osages, Lenapahs, and members of other tribes.

Nobody that I knew as a boy or man considered the Indian tribal names to be other than totally honorable, and in no way the equivalent of the names you've cited.

I have no intention of engaging in an argument on this, but I don't believe your illustration is at all fair.