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To: BIRDS
Seriously, how do we as citizens make guilty politicians "pay" for refusing representation on this issue?

There was the "John and Ken" solution they proposed against David Dreyer last year, but I'm not prepared to vote for the Tweedledee Party just to punish the Tweedledum Party...not yet anyway...

Somewhere out there, as I think Ed Rollins recently suggested, there're the people, the money, the motivation, and the organizing power to form a third party that could make a real difference on illegal immigration---if not to win elections, at least to scare the major parties, and in particular the Republicans, enough to get something seriously done on illegal immigration. It's less and less of a pipe dream, I assure you. Some sort of "Citizens' Party" is on the horizon.

I don't think we can trust the Republicans on their own to reform on the issue, Tancredo or no Tancredo.

The alternatives are so much worse: voting for Democrats, who will likely be just as or more insincere about promises of immigration law enforcement as Republicans, stepped-up "vigilanteism" (as you-know-who likes to call it), or active citizen resistance, such as boycotts and picketing of scofflaw businesses, targeted litigation, and...well...who knows what further...

Our country is going down a bad route because of the illegal alien invasion. It'll get even worse for all of us if politicians don't develop some real responsiveness on the issue. Even if all we can do at present is have all the incumbents, especially the Republican incumbents who have betrayed patriots of their party on this issue, worried about retaining their seats next election, it'll be a damn good start.

148 posted on 08/23/2005 8:06:01 PM PDT by Map Kernow ("I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Map Kernow
I have been kicking around the idea with some of the Jim Gilchrist campaign team to start a Club For Growth sort of PAC or advocacy group to target open border Republicans in primaries and go against open border dems in the general. What does everyone think of this idea? Powder Blue Report
164 posted on 08/23/2005 9:40:21 PM PDT by Allan Bartlett
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To: Map Kernow

David Dreyer was Cheerleader Galore for CAFTA. While I have mixed support for/about/against CAFTA, I do know that CAFTA supporters are those Republicans, generally, who support 'open borders' and 'amnesty' masquereding as being "national security" enthusiasts.

They must have some secret knowledge that the rest of us citizens (and voters) just can't perceive, something along the lines of "open borders equals improved national security" or thereabouts, best I can tell so far.

I am recently disappointed in Cox, no less, it's been an eye opening experience. Dreyer, dunno, but I do believe there is more than enough enthusiasm and support for a very successful third party if the current Republicans in CA continue to be Democrats in Sheep's Clothing.


173 posted on 08/24/2005 12:26:52 AM PDT by BIRDS
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To: Map Kernow

If by the "John and Ken" solution do you mean the horrid Edwards/Kerry ticket?

Like I wrote, voting for Democrats is even worse today than for Republicans but what I am finding very uncomfortable about the GOP in CA is this:

-- they withhold/fail/refuse to provide voters with explanations about their plans and intentions, leaving us to expect things that they later reveal they intended either the opposite or not anything related

-- they offer candidates that are marginal at best and actually discourage voting as a Republican as to candidate leaving many of us to try to continue to exercise the 'faith vote' as to party only (better than not voting)

-- they aren't strong and persistent and effective enough about conservative concerns and embarrass voters afterward when important issues become secondary to the eventual negative campaigning in CA by the persistently negative Democrats


That's for starters. As I wrote, the Demos are even worse so I'm not even going there but the GOP has a lot of work to do in the sincerity department if it wants to maintain any voter support in the state other than hardcore party-liners who want what the Demos want anyway: bigger government, lax security ("too expensive" and "hurts the bottom line") and just about anyone here in the state from wherever because they're source of cheap labor ("helps our bottom line").

Depressing place, California.


180 posted on 08/24/2005 12:42:28 AM PDT by BIRDS
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To: Map Kernow

If by the "John and Ken" solution do you mean the horrid Edwards/Kerry ticket?

Like I wrote, voting for Democrats is even worse today than for Republicans but what I am finding very uncomfortable about the GOP in CA is this:

-- they withhold/fail/refuse to provide voters with explanations about their plans and intentions, leaving us to expect things that they later reveal they intended either the opposite or not anything related

-- they offer candidates that are marginal at best and actually discourage voting as a Republican as to candidate leaving many of us to try to continue to exercise the 'faith vote' as to party only (better than not voting)

-- they aren't strong and persistent and effective enough about conservative concerns and embarrass voters afterward when important issues become secondary to the eventual negative campaigning in CA by the persistently negative Democrats


That's for starters. As I wrote, the Demos are even worse so I'm not even going there but the GOP has a lot of work to do in the sincerity department if it wants to maintain any voter support in the state other than hardcore party-liners who want what the Demos want anyway: bigger government, lax security ("too expensive" and "hurts the bottom line") and just about anyone here in the state from wherever because they're source of cheap labor ("helps our bottom line").

Depressing place, California.


181 posted on 08/24/2005 12:42:42 AM PDT by BIRDS
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