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City rallies around futuristic car (Austin)
Austin American Statesman ^ | Stephen Scheibal

Posted on 08/23/2005 6:38:32 AM PDT by Cat loving Texan

City rallies around futuristic car Plug-in hybrids will help environment, economy and security, supporters say.

By Stephen Scheibal

AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF

Tuesday, August 23, 2005

It is something like a capitalist's dream: Citizens petitioning to buy a product, governments setting aside money to help them pay for it, business leaders talking about the economic benefits, environmentalists proclaiming the earth's gratitude for every purchase.

There was, perhaps, only one problem with the mass shopping spree that Austin officials imagined with great fanfare at City Hall on Monday: The product doesn't, per se, exist.

The invention is known as a plug-in hybrid vehicle. It is a car that runs largely off a battery, switching to gasoline as electricity runs low. DaimlerChrysler AG expects to deliver the first such vehicles to Austin and other cities next year.

The vehicles partially replace gas pumps with electrical sockets. Owners plug their cars into a wall outlet, recharging the battery with the energy that fuels their refrigerators and air conditioners. According to the city, 70 to 80 cents on a power bill would provide as much energy as a $2.50 gallon of gas.

Plug-in hybrids could go 35 miles or more without burning gasoline and potentially cut the nation's gasoline use by 70 percent, city officials said.

The city wants to promote both the supply and demand of plug-in hybrids. Mayor Will Wynn and other officials launched the campaign before more than 100 people Monday.

Wynn declared that Austin Energy, the city-owned electric utility, eventually plans to provide $1 million to help people and entities buy the vehicles. He also said Austin and other local governments will commit to adding plug-in hybrids to various auto fleets.

And area officials and community leaders contributed the first signatures to a petition encouraging automakers to produce more plug-in hybrids.

Wynn said the drive will only begin in Austin, saying he expects other cities to sign on as well. He said the technology promises to lessen the nation's dependence on foreign oil, cut down on gasoline bills and improve air quality.

"The benefits are across the board," Wynn said. "What we need are a lot of partners."

The announcement came 10 days before Central Texas gets its most direct lesson ever about the importance of clean-burning vehicles. Beginning Sept. 1, cars and trucks in Travis and Williamson counties will have to pass an emissions test to earn inspection stickers, a change the region has accepted as part of a federally approved plan to improve air quality.

Environmentalists such as Brandi Clark, co-chairwoman of the Austin Sustainable Business Council, said the plug-in hybrids initiative could be a watershed effort to clean up Central Texas' air and a boon to consumers plagued by high gas prices.

Greater Austin Chamber of Commerce Chairman Kirk Watson said the launch was a "historic moment," reinforcing Austin's position as a center of environmentally friendly technology while allowing taxpayers and rate-payers — not overseas oil interests — to benefit from the area's transportation spending.

U.S. Rep. Lloyd Doggett, D-Austin, said the vehicles could help the nation avoid oil-driven entanglements overseas.

"It's a national security issue," Doggett said of the initiative. "The only way that we will get change is by things like we're doing this morning."


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To: micho

If the oil company monopolies wanted us to conserve, they could have accomplished this many years ago. This is smoke and mirrors, as the prices go up. It's profits that run this world. They buy out any truly useful fuel saving idea.


21 posted on 08/23/2005 7:21:32 AM PDT by wizr (Freedom ain't free.)
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To: freebilly
There are 100 million vehicles in Austin, and all plug-in hybrids?

Seriously, it would take decades of attrition for the U.S. fleet to reach 100 million plug-in hybrids if they were actually for sale today.

They aren't electric cars - they're hybrids like what the big3 and japs are already selling, except you have the option of charging them via an outlet.

Essentially, they're dual-fuel vehicles, except one of the "fuels" is straight electricity and the other is gasoline.

If electric prices rise to the point that its cheaper to use straight gas, then the owners won't charge them and will just fill up with gas like we all do now.
22 posted on 08/23/2005 7:26:17 AM PDT by babyface00
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To: sierrahome

Plus, diesels can be used to pull heavy loads. I don't see an electric battery pulling a load of logs over the continental divide.


23 posted on 08/23/2005 7:27:22 AM PDT by One Proud Son
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To: Solon
The article doesn't mention the life span of the battery & the cost to replace it. Anyone know?

They not going to get into that. The environmental wackos like their fellow Dem's, will up the demands once the batteries are in use. They need this to complain about in the future. As you know the mentality, do it now and get instant pleasure, no worries about the future.

24 posted on 08/23/2005 7:32:01 AM PDT by StuLongIsland
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To: Cat loving Texan

Okay, so now we'll add the load of a million recharging cars to the drain of 8 million air conditioners on every hot afternoon of the summer? Con Ed will LOVE that.

I can't wait to buy a new Buick Blackoutmaker.


25 posted on 08/23/2005 7:36:02 AM PDT by Norman Conquest (Kerry "honors a faith tradition." Bush believes in "God." You do the math.)
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To: The Great RJ
"A plug in electric car doesn't make much sense if we are using fossil fuels to generate the electricity. Instead of burning oil based gasoline in the car we use oil or natural gas to make the electricity."

Actually, I think it probably does. Central power stations are far more efficient in their usage of fossil fuels than auto engines. Total efficiency would also have to include transmission losses, but I suspect that there would somewhat of an overall gain.

Of course, the BEST approach is to build more nukes, but I'll bet that the same eco-nuts in Austin pushing this "high-tech plug-in car" would have collective apoplexy if you were to suggest building nuke plants to power them.

26 posted on 08/23/2005 7:36:17 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: Cat loving Texan

The MASSIVE increase in energy demand will require TONS of power plant building, which the liberals are not prepared to accept, and crises will necessarily result. Further even if they are built, these also increase costs, and can "pollute" just as much as any other energy creation method.


27 posted on 08/23/2005 7:38:04 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: micho

I'm all for reducing emissions into our already polluted air. PLUS if it is going to save me money I'm ALL for it. Do the math. Plugging in a car, reducing carbon emissions PLUS saving money, sounds like a good bargain. I LOVE bargains!

Plugging in a car is a inconvenience?? Not to me, and I'll bet a lot of other people feel the same way.


Maybe if all you're doing is going to work and driving in town but not for most. Will it really reduce emmissions? Unproven. And we've got the city of Austin getting involved trying to get "partners?" The sound of this is not good.


28 posted on 08/23/2005 7:39:28 AM PDT by Cat loving Texan
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To: Cat loving Texan
As conservatives, classic liberals, or Reaganites we should be paying attention to the market. The market is pointing toward hybrids. The market is still relatively small but it's strong with demand putting a strain on supply. There is an even smaller market of enthusiasts who are modifying their hybrids to plugin hybrids for a few thousand dollars. All this is going on without government cajoling. People are doing it because they want to.

The hydrogen economy is several years if not decades away. It will require massive government spending and armies of bureaucrats if the government wants to force us into it. Just look at HDTV, a much smaller project. Hybrids and hybrid plugins are here and now. People want them because of higher fuel prices, feeling good about being efficient and innovative, and it gives them something to brag about. We should be supporting this market phenomena, not tearing it down because it's related to environmentalism.

29 posted on 08/23/2005 7:41:18 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: Cat loving Texan
It is something like a capitalist's dream: Citizens petitioning to buy a product, governments setting aside money to help them pay for it, business leaders talking about the economic benefits, environmentalists proclaiming the earth's gratitude for every purchase.

What a maroon! This is NOT capitalism.
30 posted on 08/23/2005 7:43:00 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Cat loving Texan
I have absolute confidence in my city government to screw this up. However, if the vehicle performs as specified this would be an excellent way to reduce emissions here. Also, I've heard through the grapevine that nukes may be headed to south Texas again which would provide pollution free electricity for our already ample power supply.

This really could be a winner.
31 posted on 08/23/2005 7:46:54 AM PDT by BJClinton (Billy Jack: One tin moonbat rides away)
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To: Cat loving Texan
Give me the performance, ease of repair, capability to upgrade performance, and the convenience of an ICE powered car and I'll consider switching to a hybrid.

And not one moment sooner. Period. Even if I have to start refining my own d*mn fuel.

32 posted on 08/23/2005 7:47:58 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: Cat loving Texan

If push comes to shove I would buy a high fuel mileage Honda Civic or similar car that I could drive 200 or 300 miles before plugging in the gas nozzle and when the battery goes bad it would cost $50 bucks not $500.


33 posted on 08/23/2005 7:48:08 AM PDT by tubebender (Growing old is mandatory...Growing up is optional)
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To: Cat loving Texan
"It's a national security issue," Doggett said of the initiative.

Oh really Mr Doggett? I'l tell you about security. I was able to walk in YOUR office without so much as even having to present an I.D. to work on YOUR computer! It hat had e-mails on the screen, Word documents in my full sight and I could have had access to everything on your computer without ANYBODY in the office to oversee what I was doing!!

So...if you want to talk security you should begin with YOUR own office!


34 posted on 08/23/2005 7:48:20 AM PDT by unixfox (AMERICA - 20 Million ILLEGALS Can't Be Wrong!)
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To: freebilly

All good points. A sane energy policy IMHO would be to open up domestic drilling, and build several hundred Nuke plants. Use the Nuke power to convert solid and gaseous hydrocarbons into liquid fuels.


35 posted on 08/23/2005 7:48:20 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades
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To: micho

"Do the math. Plugging in a car, reducing carbon emissions PLUS saving money, sounds like a good bargain. I LOVE bargains! "

How is your electricity produced?


36 posted on 08/23/2005 7:49:29 AM PDT by dljordan
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To: StuLongIsland
re: batteries: I doubt they would use conventional NiCad cell phone batteries, Li-ion or Hydrogen more likely.

Electric costs due to the new plants will rise.

Privately funded/built power plants reduce power costs, not raise them.
37 posted on 08/23/2005 7:50:17 AM PDT by BJClinton (Billy Jack: One tin moonbat rides away)
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To: x5452

True - but a savings is a savings.... I ccould spend my current $80 a month on the credit card at the pump and pay it off at the end of the month or I could spend $25 extra on electricity at the end of the month.


38 posted on 08/23/2005 7:50:44 AM PDT by eraser2005
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To: Moonman62

We should be supporting this market phenomena, not tearing it down because it's related to environmentalism.


THIS IS A CITY OF AUSTIN CAMPAIGN ENCOURAGING THIS. THEY ARE PARTNERING WITH THEIR CITY OWNED ELECTRIC COMPANY. THAT IS NOT A MARKET PHENOMINON. If private citizens want to buy hybrids, I have no problem.


39 posted on 08/23/2005 7:52:24 AM PDT by Cat loving Texan
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To: Cat loving Texan
"70 to 80 cents on a power bill would provide as much energy as a $2.50 gallon of gas"

Oh, c'mon now. A general rule of thumb is that a gasoline engine will produce about 15 hp hrs per gallon of gas (probably better nowadays). That would be about $0.17 / hp hr.

One hp hr produced by electricity takes about 1.34 kw hrs (and that's a theoretical, 100% efficient value).

And of course, the electricity is not saddled w/ road use taxes, etc...

No one even bothers to do a rudimentary sanity check.
40 posted on 08/23/2005 7:52:45 AM PDT by Pessimist
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