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Panel on Prison Rape Hears Victims' Chilling Accounts
NY Times ^ | August 20, 2005 | CAROLYN MARSHALL

Posted on 08/20/2005 11:18:38 AM PDT by neverdem

SAN FRANCISCO, Aug. 19 - T. J. Parsell was a lanky pimple-faced adolescent bent on mischief. So when he found a toy gun one evening in 1978 while wandering home from a high school party, he thought nothing of pointing it at a store clerk and grumbling, "Your money or your life."

He got $50 for what he now calls "a stupid impulsive prank." The incident landed the 17-year-old Parsell in an adult jail, where on his first night, an older inmate spiked his drink with Thorazine and sexually abused and raped him.

"While my friends prepared for our high school prom, I was being gang raped," Mr. Parsell testified on Friday to a Congressional commission investigating prison sexual abuse and rape.

Mr. Parsell, now 45, and a successful software executive who lives on Long Island, was one of six victims of prison rape to relate disturbing accounts with a bipartisan panel of The National Prison Rape Elimination Commission here.

"What they took from me went beyond sex," Mr. Parsell said. "They'd stolen my manhood, my identity and part of my soul."

The panel, which also heard from state and federal legislators, law enforcement and prison officials and mental health experts, has been investigating the prevalence, cause and possible solutions to a problem that many experts say has escalated as the prison system is collapsing. Overcrowding, staff shortages and budget cuts have contributed to an often taboo topic.

"As a society, we have an obligation to protect the people we lock up, even though they have harmed society," the commission chairman, Judge Reggie B. Walton of Federal District Court in Washington, said. "Some people say inmates get what they deserve. But they don't think about the overall impact on society."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: barbaralee; bush; georgewbush; lee; prisoners; prisonrape; prisons; rape; sexcrimes
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...within a prison population that exceeds 2.1 million.

That's about the total number of folks on active duty and in the reserve components of the U.S. Armed Forces.

1 posted on 08/20/2005 11:18:41 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
>>T. J. Parsell was a lanky pimple-faced adolescent bent on mischief. So when he found a toy gun one evening in 1978 while wandering home from a high school party, he thought nothing of pointing it at a store clerk and grumbling, "Your money or your life." <<

Hahahaha. . .what a jokster. Just a little harmless fun. . .bad thing that happened to him, but his own actions put him there.
2 posted on 08/20/2005 11:21:33 AM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: neverdem

That's about the total number of folks on active duty and in the reserve components of the U.S. Armed Forces.

That's just under 1% of the population.

Many are in jail for non-violent drug offenses. Their only crime? Using an intoxicating substance other than alcohol or tobacco.


3 posted on 08/20/2005 11:23:24 AM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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" Hahahaha. . .what a jokster. Just a little harmless fun. . .bad thing that happened to him, but his own actions put him there."

Ha ha, what a sensitive soul you are.

He was sentenced to jail, not to rape.


4 posted on 08/20/2005 11:24:01 AM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: Gunrunner2

What he did was wrong, but nobody deserves to be raped in prison except child rapist themselves.


5 posted on 08/20/2005 11:24:13 AM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: neverdem
Simple solution:

Rape someone in prison?

Cut off your tool and castrate.

6 posted on 08/20/2005 11:24:19 AM PDT by Popman (In politics, ideas are more important than individuals.)
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To: neverdem

I don't know why we don't go back to prisons that isolate the prisoners from one another. The great social experiment with rehabilitative has ultimately failed. All we've done is created a system of Criminal Universities across the United States, where small time crooks get sent to learn how to pull big time crimes, and network. The situation also practically lends itself to power games like "rape the newbie".


7 posted on 08/20/2005 11:24:31 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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"I don't know why we don't go back to prisons that isolate the prisoners from one another."

Do you realize how much taxpayer money that would cost?


8 posted on 08/20/2005 11:27:58 AM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: neverdem

9 posted on 08/20/2005 11:28:29 AM PDT by jimbo123
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I kinda like the idea of giving prisoners a choice.

"You can choose to move to Mexico as a free man, or you can spend the next 25 in jail. Your choice."

Ya know... kinda what the Mexicans do to us.

10 posted on 08/20/2005 11:28:29 AM PDT by PokeyJoe (There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those that don't.)
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To: Gunrunner2

Those comments and attitude will go great on the liberals' posters to show how stupid conservatives are.


11 posted on 08/20/2005 11:28:33 AM PDT by jammer
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To: Gunrunner2

I bet Bwarney Fwranks, is yearning to be on that panel.


12 posted on 08/20/2005 11:30:35 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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With our borders ? like they wouldn't be back from mexico in about 10 minutes...


13 posted on 08/20/2005 11:32:47 AM PDT by stylin19a (In golf, some are long, I'm "Lama Long")
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The "Ha" was along the lines of the article writer that made the deed that landed him in prison a simple joke, something on a lark. Yup, according to the article, threatening to kill someone while robbing is just a prank that can be laughed and winked at.

Get a grip.

Bad things happened to him but let's not lose sight that he did a terrible thing, got caught and deserved prison for what he had done.

I'd be very interested in seeing the rest of his rap sheet (rape perhaps? other robberies? what?). . .as the reporter implies he was into mischief all the time. . .and that means "trouble."
14 posted on 08/20/2005 11:33:09 AM PDT by Gunrunner2
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It's far from a joke to get repeatedly raped in prison. There are some prisoners I would wish it on but not very many


15 posted on 08/20/2005 11:33:51 AM PDT by dennisw (Muhammad was a successful Hitler. Hitler killed too many people too fast - L. Auster)
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And how do we know he wasn't one of those?

He was into "mischief," and if the reporter characterizes robbery with a gun (real or not) and the threat to kill someone a prank, then I have real questions as to his past criminal activities.


16 posted on 08/20/2005 11:34:38 AM PDT by Gunrunner2
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>Hahahaha. . .what a jokster. Just a little harmless fun. . >.bad thing that happened to him, but his own actions put him >there

I agree with you but no one deserves rape as a punishment. Thats what those bastards in Pakistan do to women who "dishonor the family."
As far as I am concerned rape is worse than death. Its the deliberate attempt to rob a person of their soul.
We need to do whatever possible to eliminate prison rape. My suggestion: Prison Work Camps with Hard Labor. They will be too busy and tired to rape.


17 posted on 08/20/2005 11:35:11 AM PDT by rasblue (What would Barry Goldwater do?)
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To: neverdem

How sorry are we supposed to feel for felons who get raped in prison? I'm asking seriously. On a scale of 1 (yawn) to 10 (the sky is falling!), how much are we supposed to care?


18 posted on 08/20/2005 11:35:18 AM PDT by IronJack
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"What they took from me went beyond sex," Mr. Parsell said. "They'd stolen my manhood, my identity and part of my soul."This stealing of manhood, identity and soul is exactly why the gays want access to our children in our schools, our churches, the boy scouts, our boot camps and other places. It's how they "recruit" new gays. Tolerance of the intolerable is exactly what they want.
19 posted on 08/20/2005 11:35:53 AM PDT by fella (In law nothing is certain but the expense. - S. Butler)
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And yours to show the liberals how they have an ally in you. . being soft on crime and all.


20 posted on 08/20/2005 11:36:10 AM PDT by Gunrunner2
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