Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 14

Various News Outlets | 8/12/05

[theophilusscribe]

Good question! I don't know . . .

They frequented the same clubs, and Deepak (per SM) is on his Tickle site . . . It is very possible!

I'm sure someone around here knows for sure. :o)

[b9]

Y'know, what red flagged Melody most for me was her claim that she and Joran broke up because of infidelity.

That would put him on most chicks' HIT list!

[rolling_stone]

yes jossy/el Diario

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8741238/

[monkeywrench]

Thanks! It's getting hard to keep all the players straight.

[monkeywrench]

From SM

"Somebody posted this on RWV today in the comments section:

"Now HERE'S an interesting fact from Catherine Crier today (no, not that whack job psychiatrist with his "thoughtprint"): Diane Dimond revealed that Deepak and Satish's lawyers are NEPHEWS OF JOSSY MANSUR. Yeah, I know that's in all caps because I'm screaming it."

So, here's the deal: According to what has been said on TV (don't know it for a fact), evidence that "leaked" to the media can not be used in court. Now, why would Jossy leak something knowing that it could be potential evidence. Oh, that's right, his nephews represent the two suspects he doesn't want charged. "

" Also, TJ Ward is going back to Aruba. This case is now as good as solved. (sarcasm) Seems to be a little tension between TJ and Jossy over the fact that the gardener was employed by a Mansur nephew and was given "a few days off" when he was called to court.

"One more thing - Unless Aruba is drastically different than the US, "sworn statements" given to the police are investigatory tools only. A statement under oath must be subject to cross examination. That is the type of statement the gardener skipped town without giving."

[theophilusscribe]

Looks like I'm having trouble keeping them straight too!! Sorry about that!!

[theophilusscribe]

Good point!!

[maggief]

SM:

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 7:49 am Post subject: EMAIL FOR QUESTIONS Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
To all the questions posted.. thank you..

I will try and answer them during the day today, and tomorrow..

If for some reason I dont manage to answer all.. please forward the questions to this email...

titoaruba@yahoo.com .. And I will answer them.. regards..

TL

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 6:51 pm Post subject: TITO's Q&A Part 1 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
The following is Part 1 of the answers as responded to today by Tito Lacle of Aruba Today who was so kind to have come on Scared Monkeys last night and taken some questions in the Monkey cage. Tito has also answered many of the other questions that he did not get to last night. More to follow:

Red


Friend of Monkey:
What resulted in investigation into beheading/Columbian
necktie? Was anyone charged?

TITO: NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT CASE

What of missing Columbian reporter Sergio Gomez whose truck was found
abandoned? (and the family said they thought Sergio left willingly but knew
not where he was)

TITO: WORKING ON THAT ONE

Is the manager of the excelsior casino missing also or on vacation?
TITO: HE LEFT THE ISLAND BUT REASONS UNKNOWN.. HE ALSO OWNS A COUPLE OF OTHER PLACES ON THE ISLAND. HIS NAME IS MICHEAL POSNER.

Does/did Joran have open credit at one or more island casinos?
TITO: HE FREQUENTED CASINOS.

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Golden:
Do you know if Steve C. is still working at C&C's?
TITO: STEVE WORKED AT MI DUSHI AND TATTOO. HE FREQUENTS C&C. WILL CHECK IF HE WORKS AT C&C SINCE HE WAS FIRED FROM TATTOO AFTER HE WAS ARRESTED

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tlr:
RED-Can you ask Tito what his gut feeling is for the outcome of this
whole convoluted mess. And sort of OT how does he handle his new celebrity status?
TITO: THIS CASE.. THEY WILL NEVER FIND NATALEE.. THEY MIGHT SOLVE IT. ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT MY CELEBRITY STATUS.. DIDN'T KNOW I HAD ONE.

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erin_go_bragh:
Tito, are you aware of any Lorenzo’s involving the case? There is an alleged Lorenzo from Holland (now lives in Aruba) that might have eaten dinner with Natalee during her trip to Aruba. Allegedly, he's around 27 and might have something to do with drugs...

TITO: HE LEFT FOR HOLLAND.. IF HIS NAME IS WEVER, THAT IS..

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golden:
Are Arubans aware of Jug's letter to Al. Congress disagreeing with
any boycott? If so what is the general feeling about Jug having written the
letter?

TITO:THE LETTER WAS PUBLISHED TODAY IN MOST LOCAL NEWSPAPERS, SO YES.. THE ARUBANS ARE AWARE OF THIS LETTER

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Friend of Monkey:
When Mickey John was arrested he told me that 14 LE showed up at his house including van de rstratten.....is this common for
van der stratten and 14 LE to go arrest one man?

TITO: YES.. HE IS.. HE WAS AT ALL THE ARRESTS.. HE HEADED THE CASE AND WAS PRESENT AT ALL ARRESTS.

Has Tito heard of the shango posts? Would love to know how he feels about dirty hands and the sacrificial lamb
TITO: UNKNOWN TO ME

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crazybabyborg:
Wondering what Tito thought of the fabric pictures and the
relevancy to the case......

TITO: HAVE SEEN IT BEFORE.. BUT DON'T BELIEVE IT TO BE OF ANY SUBSTANCE.. BUT.. WE HAVE TO WAIT.. FORWARDED IT TO THE AUTHORITIES.. CRAZY.. I WILL LET YOU KNOW

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MuggsyMandrill:

One thing that I have always been curious about is the fact that the Aruban LE stated their reasoning for not immediately questioning Joran, Deepak & Satish was that they wanted to keep them under surveillance to see if they could get more information on Natalee’s disappearance.

Do you have any idea why they did not treat the 2 security guards in the
same manner, but instead, immediately arrested them and confiscated things they thought might have held evidence of their guilt in Natalee’s
disappearance?

TITO: GOOD QUESTION.. THE ARRESTS OF THE SECURITY GUARDS WAS BASED ON FALSE STATEMENTS BY THE THREE SUSPECTS. THEY LATER APOLOGIZED TO THE MAN FOR HAVING HIM INVOLUCRATED IN THIS

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cubbeegirl
We heard early on around June 11 th that one of the boys had confessed to the murder of Natalee and that this boy would be taking LE to the place
where her body was. A few hours later we were told that this was a false
statement. Can you clarify what exactly happened concerning this?

TITO: THEY DID GIVE THIS STATEMENT.. JORAN CONFESSED OR SAID THAT AND IT WAS ON THE RECORD.. HE LATER CHANGED THE STORY

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Happinessis HI--thank you--I've often wondered that if Nat did die --could she have been put in one of the big hotel freezers until she could be
moved---has that been researched?
TITO: UNLIKELY

What do you think of the information on this case from the National
Inquire???
TITO: DIDN'T EVEN TOUCH THAT ONE..

Was that whole missing shoe/shoes thing real or a red herring???
TITO: POLICE HAD A TIP ON THE MISSING SHOE.. THEY THOUGHT IT WAS A VALID TIP AND USED IT.. DIDN'T FIND ANYTHING THOUGH

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OneSillyMonkey
Hi Tito. TY so much for joining the SM forum to talk to us
On August 2'nd, Greta gave an interview with Police Lt Rudie Soemers, night watch commander. During that interview, Soemers told Greta that he believed Natalee left the island voluntarily and that she is alive. Last night, you mentioned what authorities believe was the second possible scenario of Natalee's disappearance (died, then dumped in ocean). Going back to Soemer's interview, would you say that other Aruban authorities concur with Soemer's opinion - that Natalee left the island? If this is indeed what the majority believe, is that why we see little involvement in the landfill search? Do you know who the night watch commander was on the night/morning Natalee went missing? Was it Soemers, or can you give us the name or any info about who was on duty that night? The reason I ask is that there is some prevailing thought/rumor that Paul called whoever was the night watch commander on duty that morning. Thank you.

Tito: THERE ARE PHONE RECORDS BUT HAD THAT BEEN TRUE.. PAUL WOULD PROBABLY NOT BE FREE TODAY.. HE WAS DETAINED BASED ON INFORMATION HE GAVE HIS SON.. AND INTERPRETATIONS HEREAFTER

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Maritzka The search at the VDS home, did they use cadaver dogs, do you know?

TITO: THEY USED ONE CADAVER DOG..

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Strike
I have a question (if I may)...
If anything, this case has seemed to expose a perceived problem with
underage drinking and gambling in Aruba. Do you feel (or has there been any attention paid to before this case) that there is a growing problem with
juvenile delinquency on your island because of this, and what have the
Aruban LE done to require establishments to enforce such laws in the future.
Thanks man!!!

TITO: YES IT HAS.. AUTHORITIES ARE CRACKING EVERY PLACE THAT VIOLATES THAT LAW

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Truthseeker2
Now that Jan Van Der Straaten is no longer working this case
can he be questioned in any way regarding any aspect of this case? If so,
can his statements be presented as evidence by way of a summons to appear in court to provide those statements under oath?

Tito: UNLIKELY.. HE WAS PART OF THE INVESTIGATION.

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Oldfart
Any chance of your paper doing a write to the editor questions
which Natalee's family would respond to in the paper? This would be like the radio interview that Paul Reynolds did. It may or may not help
communications & understanding for all involved. Just a thought.

TITO: WE HAVE INTERVIEWED BOTH THE FAMILY MEMBERS AND THOSE STATEMENTS HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED IN THE ARUBA TODAY SISTER PAPER BON DIA ARUBA

[TexKat]

From Nancy Grace:

Harris Faulkner: The gardener has been located. They hope to have the gardener testify on the record by Monday.

Jossy Mansur: The gardener was keeping out of sight until police could locate him.

[theophilusscribe]

Tito, are you aware of any Lorenzo’s involving the case? There is an alleged Lorenzo from Holland (now lives in Aruba) that might have eaten dinner with Natalee during her trip to Aruba. Allegedly, he's around 27 and might have something to do with drugs...

TITO: HE LEFT FOR HOLLAND.. IF HIS NAME IS WEVER, THAT IS..

What, what? Did you know about this? Who is Lorenzo Wever?

[Malichi]

Mark

[TexKat]

From Nancy Grace:

Beth: This is hugh. This will blow hole in the 3 suspects time line. Beth states that Jug did not misunderstand JVDS's pickup time of Joran (regarding the 11:00 a.m. and 4:00 a.m.).

Jossy Mansur: The landfill had a small fire that impeded the search. The landfill search should resume in the morning.

A new team is searching over near the lighthouse.

[theophilusscribe]

A new team is searching over near the lighthouse.

That's the Art Wood search area. That is where he found the belt . . .Wood said lots of sources have pointed there as the place the body was buried.

[hummingbird]

re: scubajap. Aren't Joran's initials J.A.P. van der Sloot?

[maggief]

What, what? Did you know about this? Who is Lorenzo Wever?

First I've heard of Wever.

Tito doesn't know about the beheading/Columbian necktie? Ooooookay.

SM: What resulted in investigation into beheading/Columbian necktie? Was anyone charged?

TITO: NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT CASE

[theophilusscribe]

Spot on, hummingbird.

[TexKat]

From Nancy Grace:

Beth: Jossy Mansur is a hero in my eyes.

Aruba tourism has not been affected to my knowledge.

Harris Faulkner: Belt found near the lighthouse. They have tried everything that they can to get Joran to talk.

[cajungirl]

Yep, all American girls are drunk and slutty.

I have read numerous remarks on SM about drunken tourists. It is odd they are critical, I mean every drunken American is money in the bank for them.

And Melody of course is just a little tipsy and talks on the net for all to hear of her underage only occasionally rough sex with Joran. Who is not worrying about how they "appear"

[monkeywrench]

So, lorenzo weaver, and posner fled the island. Sergio gomez still unaccounted for.

Is Lorenzo "Weaver" the Lorenzo everyone has been looking for pics of?

[cajungirl]

Except teenagers are always unfaithful to each other,,sort of a rite of passage or something.