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To: betty boop
How about I critique Grandpierre's version?

Life lives at the frontier between the realms of Finite Existence and Infinity.

Mostly true, but there is a thin red line between Finite Existence, Finite Nonexistence, Infinity, and Just-Really-Really-Super-Bigness. More importantly, there are no guard posts at the frontier, as smuggling has not be defined in this context.

Non-Existence is filled with all potential possibilities, and all potential possibilities at all levels of existence form together an infinite realm that is called Infinity.

We must note, however, that while some possibilities are potential, some are only potentially potential. Some others could eventually with a few steroid shots and some dietary supplements someday become potentially potential possibilities.

Infinity is the infinite chain of all potential possibilities in their chain reactions driven by a creative agent.

Chain reactions are cool and creative agents can "cause" them in a way, but creative agents just set up initial conditions. Mostly, we refine the U-235 and blast subcritical masses together in just the right way.

It must also be noted that Infinity can contain real possibilities which jostle the potential possibilities and the merely potentially potential possibilities all over the place. Hiding in all this somewhere are my missing socks.

At each link in this chain a generative agent recreates the potential possibilities towards a complete coverage of all possible possibilities, driving them towards infinite fertility.

I was going to talk about the chain. I also seem to have left out the possible possibilities versus the potential and potentially potential ones. Hmmm.

I've been doing this sober up to now but I'm going for the wine even as I type. OK, not as I type, but I'm about to get up.

In comparison, Existence is but a small morsel, a string of beads on the thread of Infinity.

Existence is finite. Finite is pretty drab stuff. Finite is being promised the Super Bowl and getting your neighbor's kid's Peewee League game. Existence has its limits, at least so far. Existence takes time, and who has time for that?

The realm of the Finite cannot exist without the realm of Infinity, since the Finite can change only by its connection with Infinity, and it can maintain itself only by continuously changing.

I didn't want to get into change here. I never have enough change.

The Finite is a subset of Infinity, specifically a finite subset. I have to differ with Grandpierre (Big Rock?) on the mutability of sets, as I think the smaller the set the smaller the restance to change. Less mass, as it were. I would not expect Infinity can change at all, so attachment to Infinity can only slow you down unless it's an Infiniti.

249 posted on 08/15/2005 4:41:46 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: VadeRetro
Hubba hubba. Ooga booga. Yadda yadda. Teach the controversy!
250 posted on 08/15/2005 4:49:58 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: VadeRetro

rofl


254 posted on 08/15/2005 5:02:44 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: betty boop; VadeRetro; PatrickHenry
Thank you so much for the ping to this fascinating sidebar!

VadeRetro, I'd like to challenge you - and PatrickHenry, if you are interested - to contemplate the difference in two concepts of infinity. I'll use time as an example.

On the one hand, theologians and philosophers - and most all cosmologists - look at the finite existence ("in" space/time regardless of dimensionality) - in context with the void. In the void, there is no space, no time, no energy, no matter, no physical causality, no information, no geometry, no thing. The emphasis goes to no physical causality. Concerning time, this is also seen as eternity - timelessness.

On the other hand, certain scientists and philosophers view infinity as merely finite without borders. In that view, finite is indeed a subset of infinite. But the entire worldview rests on the pre-existence of time itself. And not only time, but time ordered by physical causality - a line and not a plane, certainly not a dimension. Obviously this view is counter-indicative to current thinking in geometric physics (additional temporal dimensions, etc.) but that's a sidebar for another day...

The bottom line to this sidebar on this thread is these two views of "infinity" are not the same at all.

To get a handle on Grandpierre and many others - one must be able to comprehend the void as well as boundaryless-ness.

It is in that meditation that one realizes that order cannot arise from the void - the true chaos - without a "guide" to the system. We Christians know that God is the uncaused cause. There can be no other.

263 posted on 08/15/2005 8:46:22 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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