VadeRetro, I'd like to challenge you - and PatrickHenry, if you are interested - to contemplate the difference in two concepts of infinity. I'll use time as an example.
On the one hand, theologians and philosophers - and most all cosmologists - look at the finite existence ("in" space/time regardless of dimensionality) - in context with the void. In the void, there is no space, no time, no energy, no matter, no physical causality, no information, no geometry, no thing. The emphasis goes to no physical causality. Concerning time, this is also seen as eternity - timelessness.
On the other hand, certain scientists and philosophers view infinity as merely finite without borders. In that view, finite is indeed a subset of infinite. But the entire worldview rests on the pre-existence of time itself. And not only time, but time ordered by physical causality - a line and not a plane, certainly not a dimension. Obviously this view is counter-indicative to current thinking in geometric physics (additional temporal dimensions, etc.) but that's a sidebar for another day...
The bottom line to this sidebar on this thread is these two views of "infinity" are not the same at all.
To get a handle on Grandpierre and many others - one must be able to comprehend the void as well as boundaryless-ness.
It is in that meditation that one realizes that order cannot arise from the void - the true chaos - without a "guide" to the system. We Christians know that God is the uncaused cause. There can be no other.
I confess, A-Girl, that I am unable "to comprehend the void as well as boundaryless-ness." That leaves me with two possible conclusions:
a. People like Grandpierre are babbling buffoons.So which is it? I don't know. It may be that Grandpierre's really got something. But if he does, it's something I lack. Either way, I can't meaningfully participate in this.b. I'm an uncomprehending buffoon.
You and Grandpierre are evidently quaffing the same hooch. I defer to you, Madam! You do him much better than I.
Speaking of which, Betty, thanks for getting me drunk last night!