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the aid Israel receives from the US comes with strings attached.

_____Which is as it should be.

All we do is delay the confrontation, when the Arab population advantage with Israel grows. Plus mass immigration from the Mideast might change US policy, as it did in France, her closest ally in the 50's. And I do not share Bush and Bono's enthusiasm for foreign aid, as you may have guessed.

______You're entitled to that view.

"Last time I checked, Israel won three wars...and we stepped in to resupply the IDF in the last one...no way will the US allow Israel to be defeated. To say otherwise is an insult to all Americans. America stands by its allies."

My wife is from Laos, she might dispute your assertion!

_____Are you saying that losing 55,000 good soldiers in Southeast Asia was not a sacrifice for an ally?

Also, in 1973 we stepped in to keep the war from going nuclear, Israel was against the ropes and ready to go nuclear. Nixon did not save Israel,

he saved the Arabs,

____No, he saved the world. Why do you think the Soviets would not have intervened with nukes if Israel had gone nuclear?

The point is that the US would never have allowed Israel to fall and won't allow it now.

who showed their gratitude with an oil embargo.

"Then why did Egypt sign a peace treaty with Israel?"

And they get 2 billion dollars a year for having done so.

____A bargain.

Also, Israel let them know in the event of another war the Aswan High Dam was on the target list.

"They have no power to annihilate Israel..a bunch of crummy suicide bombers? This is just catastrophic rhetoric on your part."

Oh really?

___Yeah, really. Only a major military opponent can destroy Israel...and none exists in the Middle East..especially now that Saddam is gone.

Alll this scare-mongering about Israel's imminent annihilation at the hands of a small group ofterrorist fanatics...is, in my
ioonion, a cover for what you have openly stated---an expanded Israel, beginning with the annexation of "Judea and Samaria."

So A.Q. Khan developed the suicide vest for Pakistan, and the Iranians are developing suicide vests. The Arab will to annihilate Israel already exists, their working on the means.

____This is true of the "Islamo-fascist" Arabs, yes, but there's no benefit to the Arabs to seeing Israel destroyed...many have been driven into poverty by the Intifada which forced Israel tio close the borders with a consequent loss of jobs and business to the Arabs....I think in your Arab-hating, you forget thatr Arabs are human beings who--like alll human beings---care first about the basics of daily life and not destroying other countries.

Good forward thinking, only plan for todays threat, don't worry about what may be developing. Thinking epitomized by the Maginot Line.

"Exodus 1, verse 8 states "Now a new king arose over Egypt, who did not know Joseph." Israel better never forget those twelve words.
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___What is this supposed to
mean?"

Are you at all familiar with the book of Exodus? You even need to ask? Stunning!!! George Santayana warned about those who ignore the lessons of history.

___I don't come here for Bible Study...what's the pertinence of this passage with respect to US/Israel relations? Be specific!

"Sure let Israel do what it wants, it's a sovereign state...but I doubt it would entertain the mad proposal you just made."

Like trusting the PLO is the sane thing to do.

____"Trust but verify"--RR

Are you an adviser th Ariel Sharon? Israel need not worry about casus belli, the Arabs will provide it, they never fail to.

_____I think things have changed a bit since 1973.

"And I do not share Bush and Bono's enthusiasm for foreign aid, as you may have guessed.

______You're entitled to that view."

Just as you are entitled to send your own money, but not when you compel others to do so.

"America stands by its allies."

My wife is from Laos, she might dispute your assertion!

_____Are you saying that losing 55,000 good soldiers in Southeast Asia was not a sacrifice for an ally?"

You focus on effort, not results. The objective is not to lose men, it is to win, Patton expressed it best. I recall the helicopters departed the roof of the embassy in Saigon in April of 1975. The JCS proposed an air campaign in 1964 that was rejected by MacNamara's whiz kids, it was not until 8 years later that we mounted an effective air campaign, 12 days in December 1972, operation Linebacker II. Effective support of our ally would not have cost us 58,000 good men, LBJ cost us that.

"No, he saved the world. Why do you think the Soviets would not have intervened with nukes if Israel had gone nuclear?"

Nope, Israel had the ability to hit Moscow, and they made sure the USSR knew it. They had converted Boeing Stratocruisers to tanker aircraft to make sure of it.

"And they get 2 billion dollars a year for having done so.

____A bargain."

A total waste of money, the 50 billion poured down that rat-hole would have equipped our military nicely.

"Alll this scare-mongering about Israel's imminent annihilation at the hands of a small group ofterrorist fanatics...is, in my ioonion, a cover for what you have openly stated---an expanded Israel, beginning with the annexation of "Judea and Samaria.""

Don't listen to all "this scare-mongering about" extermination camps, you are just going to be "resettled in the East." Greater Israel does sound nice, perhaps stretching from the Sinai (or Suez if Egypt acts up) to the Litani River. Along the Litani and into Syria as far as the Euphrates. Along the Euphrates, which will form the border with Kurdistan, to the Persian Gulf, and perhaps the southern boundary from Aqaba to Oman, the Hejaz being a radioactive wasteland, the prophets statements about Mecca never falling having been proved false in a blinding flash delivered by a Jericho IRBM based in the Negev. Sweet!

"you forget thatr Arabs are human beings who--like alll human beings---care first about the basics of daily life and not destroying other countries."

September 11th, 2001, taught me all I need to know about Islam.

"I don't come here for Bible Study...what's the pertinence of this passage with respect to US/Israel relations? Be specific!"

The Israelites were dependent upon the favor of the Pharaoh, eventually one arose who did not remember Joseph. He enslaved the Israelites, and eventually began to exterminate their boys, unlike the PLO and Hamas who kill both sexes. The analogy is to Arab/Israeli relations, and the concept of land for peace.

""Trust but verify"--RR "

Dawson Field, Jordan, September 1970.

"I think things have changed a bit since 1973."

Sbarros Pizza.

"This is true of the "Islamo-fascist" Arabs, yes, but there's no benefit to the Arabs to seeing Israel destroyed...many have been driven into poverty by the Intifada which forced Israel tio close the borders with a consequent loss of jobs and business to the Arabs....I think in your Arab-hating, you forget thatr Arabs are human beings who--like alll human beings---care first about the basics of daily life and not destroying other countries. "

Unfortunately most of those so called "moderate" Arabs that worry nothing about but the basics of life are also the ones that do absolutely nothing to stop the islamofascists even though they vastly outnumber them. But they also won't hesitate to join in the fun if Israel were ever to be smashed. Just look at how many Iraqis who otherwise are not involved with the insurgency don't hesitate to loot equipment/weapons/supplies from damaged/destroyed American vehicles when they get the chance. They take them as trophies just like the ones with the masks and AK-47's do. The radicals are the ones in control, and they won't hesitate to sacrafice millions of their own people if it meant the annihilation of Israel. Now if the US went so far as to publicly say that "annihilation will be met with annihilation" then you wouldn't have to worry about it so much. If you give them images of Mecca and Medina reduced to radioactive rubble and the ruins coated by C-130 aerial spraying aircraft filled with rancid liquefied pig fat, and really mean it, then they're not going to mess with you. Terror can only be stopped with a greater terror.