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INTELLIGENCE OPERATIONS: Whose Spies Are The Best
StrategyPage ^ | Aug 10, 2005

Posted on 08/10/2005 10:19:29 AM PDT by spetznaz

August 10, 2005: Figuring out who the best intelligence service is can be quite difficult. The very nature of intelligence often means that the successes will not be public knowledge for years (for instance, World War II decryption efforts – the key to the United States winning the battle of Midway in 1942 – were not declassified until the 1970s), whereas failures or controversial operations will be taken to the press. It’s a thankless situation. Still, from what little has emerged, one can have an idea of some of the better intelligence services out there, with the understanding that this is based on incomplete data.

For instance, the CIA has had a few successes despite having a lot of its dirty laundry aired in the press. Just as he was about to depart, then-DCI George Tenet revealed that the CIA had played a huge part in destroying the nuclear proliferation network of Pakistani nuclear weapons scientist A.Q. Khan. A CIA Predator also killed the planner of the October 2000 attack on USS Cole in 2002. In the 1980s, under Bill Casey, the CIA waged what was, for all intents and purposes, an economic war against the Soviet Union. Much of this story remains classified, but some outlines are already emerging.

One cannot discuss the CIA without discussing the Russians – and this would include the SVR and its forerunner, the KGB. Unlike the CIA, the KGB and (to a lesser extent) the SVR, have not had to deal with things like politicians leaking to friendly reporters when they got upset about an operation. Russian successes can be described by just naming names: John Walker (who penetrated the U.S. Navy and American encryption secrets), Aldrich Ames (their mole inside the CIA), Robert Hanssen (their mole in the FBI), and Melita Norwood (a British civil servant). These moles delivered a great deal of information. A number of American sources were lost due to Ames and Hanssen, while the Russians used Walker’s information to read many secret American documents, and improve the design of Russian submarines.

The British have had a long public perception of an effective intelligence agency (due to the success of the unrealistic, yet entertaining, James Bond movies). This perception matches reality. MI6, the British equivalent to the CIA, has had two big advantages in staying effective: The British Official Secrets Act and “D notices” can often prevent leaks (which have been the bane of the CIA’s existence). Some stories have emerged. In the Cold War, MI6 recruited Oleg Penkovsky, who played a key part in the favorable resolution of the Cuban Missile Crisis, and Oleg Gordievski, who operated for a decade before MI6 extracted him via Finland. The British were even aware of Norwood’s activities, but made the decision not to tip their hand. MI6 also is rumored to have sabotaged the Tu-144 supersonic airliner program by altering documents and making sure they fell into the hands of the KGB.

The DGSE, France’s intelligence agency, has an even lower profile. Yet it was this agency that was the first to announce the Yom Kipper war in 1973, the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979, and which also carried out a coup against the Central African Republic. A more recent success was the “Nicobar” network, which not only got technical data on the T-72 main battle tank, but also enabled France to sell Mirage 2000 jets to India.

Finally, there is the Mossad. Israel’s intelligence agency is most famous for having taken out a number of PLO operatives in retaliation for the attack that killed eleven Israeli athletes at the 1972 Olympic games in Munich. However, this agency has other success to its name, including the acquisition of a MiG-21 prior to the Six-Day war of 1967 and the theft of the plans for the Mirage 5 after the deal with France went sour. Mossad also assisted the United States in supporting Solidarity in Poland during the 1980s.

Which of these is the best? It is arguably a tie between MI6 and Mossad. Both agencies have had lengthy track records of success. The CIA has not done poorly, but it has been handicapped by a nearly unrestrained press which has often harmed the agency.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; Miscellaneous; Russia; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: cia; kgb; mi6; mossad; spies; spy; svr
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To: Bombardier

Funny how all the traitors are democrats...I wonder if there is a connection? /sarcasm


21 posted on 08/10/2005 4:01:30 PM PDT by lancer (If you are not with us, you are against us!)
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To: lancer
Democrats are traitors?
That's a mild word for the b*stards, I was active in my cop union* and attended regional labor functions with Demos. Once they do a little drinking and let their hair down, there is no question how much they hate this nation.


*To understand why I was a strong union man, Google; Corrupted Sheriff, San Bernardino County, Floyd Tidwell.
22 posted on 08/10/2005 4:14:21 PM PDT by investigateworld ( God bless Poland for giving the world JP II & a Protestant bump for his Sainthood!)
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To: adam_az

It was a typo.


23 posted on 08/10/2005 4:23:59 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: PAR35

I apologize if I misunderstood. So who is "Pearle" in your reference?

When I Google "Pearle" and Israel I come up with pages of references to Richard Pearle who is the same person as Richard Perle (correct spelling).

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Pearle+israel

My post should have also noted that Richard Perle/Pearle has been the subject of a disgusting smear campaign.

Unfounded charges of "dual loyalty" against American Jews are a hallmark of anti-Semitism. Those who make such charges against Mr Perle are in the company of Seymour Hersh, writer New Yorker Magazine, who trashed the US soldiers in Iraq as war criminals responsible for atrocities in Abu Ghraib and the likes of Justin Raimondo and Noam Chomsky.

What religion and origin were Robert Hanssen and Earl Pitts? Funny how no one asks that question.


24 posted on 08/10/2005 4:29:14 PM PDT by dervish (tagline for rent, inquire within)
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To: ASA Vet
Thanks ASA! Good read.

Reread the acquisition of a Soviet MiG-21 by Mossad in '67. I recall a tale about a '21 ditching in a lake in W. Germany. We hauled it out, transported it to an AB, took it apart....blueprinting everything, then put it back. All done while diplomats hemmed and hawed over territorial violations and property rights. This was about the same time frame.

You ever heard this one....or is it just RUMOR?

25 posted on 08/10/2005 7:05:08 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but recently have come to my senses.)
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To: BIGLOOK; ASA Vet
Addenda: BTW, the MiG-21's NATO designator is Fishbed. Coincidence?
26 posted on 08/10/2005 7:08:20 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but recently have come to my senses.)
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To: SJackson

Bump


27 posted on 08/10/2005 7:29:37 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ("Remember Officers and Soldiers,that you are Freemen,fighting for blessings of Liberty" G.Washington)
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To: BIGLOOK
You ever heard this one....or is it just RUMOR?

I'm very good at Sgt Schultzing.

28 posted on 08/10/2005 7:56:12 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Line the border with trebuchets. Provide the invaders free flights home.)
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To: spetznaz

noted


29 posted on 08/11/2005 7:11:20 PM PDT by Bald Eagle777 (N/A)
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To: spetznaz

aintitcool.com has really good spys. Damn shame that the tub of goo who runs the site is a liberal.


30 posted on 08/11/2005 7:13:28 PM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: dervish

Then there was also the Walker spy family..


31 posted on 04/21/2010 9:49:15 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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