WIESENTHAL CENTER: PROPOSED LUTHERAN DIVESTMENT RESOLUTION DENIES LEGITIMACY OF JEWISH STATE

Simon Wiesenthal Center ^ | 8-9-05

[SJackson]

This is NOT surprising at so many levels.

No it's not.

[NoControllingLegalAuthority]

I will no longer have anything to do with the ELCA though I was raised as a member. They marched against private ownership of firearms in America. That was it for me.

The ELCA has been taken over by communists and homosexual advocates.

[CzarNicky]

You asked how it's an attack on Israel's legitimacy, I explained it to you.

It is no more an attack on Israel's legitimacy than a boycott of France is an attack on France's legitimacy.

[the invisib1e hand]

It pays to know your own church and it's affiliations well these days. It would be quite fitting if this church lost 80% plus of it's membership.

Didn't the just take a vote on gay clergy? whaddayaspectemtadoo?

[DoughtyOne]

Keep the church firmly framed in their rear view mirror. Press on the gas...

[SJackson]

It is no more an attack on Israel's legitimacy than a boycott of France is an attack on France's legitimacy.

Other than jihadists, who is attacking France's right to have borders? Or to keep terrorists out of their nation?

National Council of Churches of the Christ in the USA

Resolution on the Conflict in the Middle East

No. 2003-06, Adopted on November 6, 2003

Whereas, the General Assembly of the National Council of the Churches of Christ in the USA, meeting at a time of continuing violent confrontation in the Middle East with the breakdown of the Israeli - Palestinian peace process, witnesses with deep distress the building of the Separation Wall by Israel;

Whereas, we note that the Wall is resulting in the de facto imprisonment of the Palestinian population, the denial of access by Palestinians to emergency services, health care, food, employment, schools and water resources, the curtailment of freedom of movement among the Palestinian people, and the exacerbation of suffering;

Whereas, the Wall violates international law and eliminates hope for a peaceful resolution of the Middle East conflict; > Whereas, we, as people of faith, are deeply troubled by the systematic violence against Palestinians, and equally troubled by bombing campaigns against Israelis;

Whereas, the National Council of the Churches of Christ USA has historically called for the breaking down of walls of division, based on our faith that "Now in Christ Jesus, he has broken down the dividing wall that is the hostility between us" (Eph. 2:14);

Therefore, be it resolved that the General Assembly of the National Council of the Churches of Christ in the USA, meeting in Jackson, Mississippi, November 4-6, 2003, calls for the tearing down of the Separation Wall that is now being erected;

And be it resolved that the General Assembly offers its prayers for the well being of all people in the region, including our Christian sisters and brothers whose presence in the Holy Land continues to decline in the midst of this violence;

And be it resolved that the General Assembly reiterates its long-standing support for the establishment of a Palestinian State alongside the State of Israel, and its call for the preservation of the City of Jerusalem as an open, shared city where free access to holy places and freedom of worship are assured for people of all faiths;

And be it resolved that the General Assembly calls upon its member churches to send delegations of solidarity to the Middle East as an expression of their compassion for all people of the region;

And be it resolved that the General Assembly encourages its member churches and their delegates and others attending this Assembly to join with other United States organizations who have designated November 9, 2003, as a day to express opposition to the Separation Wall, and to convey to United States public policy-makers their concern for peace with justice and reconciliation in the Middle East.

[CzarNicky]

You give these "churches" far too much credit. Let them withdraw their paltry few millions it will make no difference in a 129 billion dollar economy and someone else might get a deal on some "absolutely must sell stock". Far better that they have no vote in Israeli companies than they continue to own them. No one cares what these "churches" say.

[WorkingClassFilth]

The ELCA has been in the service of evil for some time.

[SJackson]

No one cares what these "churches" say.

You're absolutely right, in many cases including their membership.

[Redleg Duke]

This would, if passed, further strip the ELCA of legitimacy and membership. Just like the homo proposals, it will be the forcing function that pushes me to the LCMS.

[Redleg Duke]

True, it will probably only be around 60%.

[JDoutrider]

What some folks don't understand is what these grandstanding gestures by the Lutherans will mean to the unimformed, and those seeking any issue that defames the Israeli Nation.

This move gives legitimacy to the antisemetic rants of the islamofacists. Those sitting on the fence of ignorance will be easily persuaded by them that seek favor and support of their evil agenda by just pointing to this action... "See? Even your Christian leaders oppose Israel! Just like South Africa! They pull their money from the evil Jew that is oppressing the Honorable Brotherhood of Palestine!

If you get my drift...

[PhiKapMom]

This church body lost me sometime ago -- refuse to support any Church that belongs to the National Council of Churches. Not one red cent of mine is going to the liberal National Council of Churches.

[kittymyrib]

When Jesus referred to Christians as "sheep", He wasn't passing them any compliment. Anyone who has ever kept sheep, knows how stupid and easily led they are. The sheep sleeping in the pews don't know or care that they are being fleeced.

[SJackson]

What some folks don't understand is what these grandstanding gestures by the Lutherans will mean to the unimformed, and those seeking any issue that defames the Israeli Nation...If you get my drift...

You understand the purpose of these "resolutions", validating what I'm told is a minority view, though it's not clear to me it's working in this instance.

[DoughtyOne]

The NCC is very bad. I was temped to mention it earlier, but didn't remember the exact name. I haven't been going to church. It's been quite a while. If I found that my church did belong to the NCC, it would be a whole lot longer before I'd put a mite in the offering basket.

[SJackson]

Would goats have been better? :>)

[familyop]

Luther and Hitler were there first.

Let's see. So far, that's the WCC (World Council of Churches) of which the Catholic Church is not officially a member but is one of the most active and influential, and not to forget the harboring of terrorists in the Church of the Nativity), the Orthodox Christian Church, Anglican, Episcopalian, Presbyterian, Lutheran, Disciples of Christ, Methodist (Virginia, of course, and New England states), Church of Christ,...

How many did I miss? And what's new, except for their anxious anticipations growing enough for them to come out of their closets with it because of the current situation in Israel?

[SJackson]

How many did I miss?

The Nation of Islam?

[familyop]

"How exactly does a bunch of investors divesting themselves of their property constitute a lack of legitimacy for Israel?"

They're trying to create a situation where the generic Arabs ("Palestinians") will have more funding for more weapons than the Jews (object of their hatred). Their hope is the same hope that the Islamists indulge in--that the Jews will be "driven into the sea." They're also happy with the appearance that our US President is no longer listening to us "neo-cons" on the part of our Republican Platform regarding Israel.