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Gunman(Jewish Settler) kills 3 on Israel bus
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Posted on 08/04/2005 9:43:31 AM PDT by Alex Marko

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To: Alexander Rubin
A crazy provocateur who is now going to be taken as existence that ALL the settlers are crazy, when in reality, a few rotten apples give the whole barrel a bad name, even when they bad ones are taken out in time.

You're wrong, the barrel gets a bad name by being slandered by those who judge a group or community by the actions of an individual. That's taught in bigotry 101.

61 posted on 08/04/2005 10:34:45 AM PDT by SJackson (America...thru dissent and protest lost the ability to mobilize a will to win, Col Bui Tin, PAVN)
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To: SJackson

Did you mean to put a sarcasm anywhere?


62 posted on 08/04/2005 10:35:36 AM PDT by Esther Ruth (That men may know that thou, whose name alone is Jehovah, art the most high over all the earth.)
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To: Alexander Rubin

It is just a few radicals, but the shooter is dead from what i heard.


63 posted on 08/04/2005 10:36:08 AM PDT by Alex Marko
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To: Piranha

Because he is hoping that this will actually (and finally) lead to a lasting peace in the region. It won't, but Bush can hope anyways that there will be one less major problem that he will need to deal with.


64 posted on 08/04/2005 10:37:23 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin
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To: SJackson

Good point.


65 posted on 08/04/2005 10:38:43 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin
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To: FormerACLUmember

Actually, the man convicted of killing Prime Minster Rabin was raised in a Tel Aviv suburb -- I don't remember the one; perhaps it is the same one that today's shooter came from. I agree with you that he was not a lone psychotic gunman, but from what I've read he was a tool of Israel's intelligence agency, which placed an agent in the West Bank to provoke Jews to take extremist positions.

Shooting the Prime Minister was a terrible crime, but it was not based on his learning in Israel's "far-right" religious institutions. Rather, it was based on the teachings of the provacateur, who invented secret initiation ceremonies, passed out leaflets describing the Prime Minister as a Nazi, and took other inflammatory actions that made this psycho believe that he was part of a larger movement.

What is more, after the shooting of Prime Minister Rabin, Netanyahu's lead in the election nearly evaporated, and he managed to just squeak by Shimon Peres to become Prime Minister. Very often, political assassinations have the opposite effect of what is intended because they mobilize the opposition.


66 posted on 08/04/2005 10:39:12 AM PDT by Piranha
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To: Esther Ruth
Did you mean to put a sarcasm anywhere?

Not really. To be consistant, those who characterize "right wing settlers" as lunatics based on a single incident have to accept the lunacy of the pro-life movement based on the murder of an abortion doctor, Christians based on Oklahoma City, and gun owners based on gun crime. These are widely held opinions, admittadly generally held on the left, but my guess we have a few of those here as well.

67 posted on 08/04/2005 10:41:18 AM PDT by SJackson (America...thru dissent and protest lost the ability to mobilize a will to win, Col Bui Tin, PAVN)
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To: Alberta's Child

One crazy man doesn't mean anything, unless of course you think Tim McVeigh represents all Americans or Christians...


68 posted on 08/04/2005 10:41:54 AM PDT by veronica
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To: SJackson

You wrote:

"We all know right wingers, known as settlers in Israel, are lunatics, dangerous when they get near firearms."

YOU believe this?


"We need to get the guns and start throwing the lunatic right wingers in jail."

YOU believe this?


69 posted on 08/04/2005 10:45:15 AM PDT by Esther Ruth (That men may know that thou, whose name alone is Jehovah, art the most high over all the earth.)
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To: Piranha

I am glad that you at least agree that the assassination of Prime Minister Rabin was not a good thing. Now, what about the praise for the ultra-Orthodox religious zealot, Yigal Amir, from many in Israel in the United States?


70 posted on 08/04/2005 10:46:40 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember
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To: FormerACLUmember

I would hardly say that his actions were supported by 'many'. Correct me if I am wrong.


71 posted on 08/04/2005 10:49:01 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin
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To: FormerACLUmember
Now, what about the praise for the ultra-Orthodox religious zealot, Yigal Amir, from many in Israel in the United States?

I don't know, what about it? The assassination of Rabin was a terrible thing.

Amir was not an "ultra-Orthodox" but hey, don't let facts stand in your way of smearing an entire population because of 3 whackos over a period of 10 years.

72 posted on 08/04/2005 10:56:05 AM PDT by Alouette ("Peace and justice" = Leftspeak for terrorism and ethnic cleansing.)
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To: Alex Marko

How come this story is so brief? It doesn't mention who were those killed. It doesn't mention who the soldier was or why he did it.


73 posted on 08/04/2005 11:00:47 AM PDT by blueberry12
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To: Esther Ruth

Of course not. I'm just drawing the logical conclusions that those who do must come to.


74 posted on 08/04/2005 11:02:45 AM PDT by SJackson (America...thru dissent and protest lost the ability to mobilize a will to win, Col Bui Tin, PAVN)
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To: Alouette

Should I bring up Baruch Goldstein? Thanks to this soldier, the trolls have three incidents to demonize Jews in Gaza and the West Bank with.


75 posted on 08/04/2005 11:05:38 AM PDT by SJackson (America...thru dissent and protest lost the ability to mobilize a will to win, Col Bui Tin, PAVN)
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To: Rodney King

Hate to interfere with your screed at the "settlers" but the latest news describes him as a secular Jew from Israel who because of the disengagement deserted the IDF, "turned" Religious and was loitering in the "West Bank". Some one who obviously had psychological problems and not a product of the lazy "Right Wing" as you described (a particularly strange posting for "right wing" FreeRepublic).

But if this guy can be considered a terrorist, you do know what that means: we have to look at the root causes of his grievance and humiliation.

Get enough insane people like him and give them a State.


76 posted on 08/04/2005 11:06:00 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Islam is to Peace as Rape is to Love)
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To: Teplukin
"Lots of these settlers are insane. It is high time for them to pull out, and start heeding the wishes of Sec'y of State Rice. I am weary of these idiots doing their best to subvert President Bush."

While I agree that the settlers must have a screw loose to want to live in the West Bank or Gaza, they have absolutely NO duty to heed the wishes of the US secretary of State, and they are perfectly free to totally ignore President Bush if they want.

They are ISRAELIS not Americans. Do you have a duty to obey Israeli Prime minister Sharon? Hell no. You are an idiot if you think you do.
77 posted on 08/04/2005 11:07:05 AM PDT by monday
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To: veronica
One crazy man doesn't mean anything, unless of course you think Tim McVeigh represents all Americans or Christians...

Hillary says he does. At least right wing Christians. She'll be getting some votes here.

78 posted on 08/04/2005 11:07:14 AM PDT by SJackson (America...thru dissent and protest lost the ability to mobilize a will to win, Col Bui Tin, PAVN)
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To: Alexander Rubin
Thank you so much for the private email telling me to calm down. Just what I needed. What kind of kool aid are we serving today? And what station should I tune into to get the real news about all the wonderful things Bush/Sharon are doing in this New World Order we now have? I am not another one of the NWO's useful idiots. Appearances can be deceiving.
79 posted on 08/04/2005 11:09:11 AM PDT by Esther Ruth (That men may know that thou, whose name alone is Jehovah, art the most high over all the earth.)
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To: blueberry12

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/608864.html

Mob kills shooter, who went AWOL due to pullout

A Jewish Israeli man in Israel Defense Forces uniform opened fire on bus passengers in a Druze neighborhood of the Israeli Arab town of Shfaram Thursday afternoon. Four people were killed and 12 wounded, two of them moderately. The gunman was killed by a mob that boarded the bus after the shooting.

Security forces said the shooting was apparently a Jewish terror attack and that the attacker was a newly religious man, an IDF deserter from Rishon Letzion who recently moved to the West Bank settlement of Tapuah. They said the gunman, Eran Tzuberi, 19, was an activist in the outlawed extreme-right Kach movement. Tzuberi went AWOL a month ago to protest the disengagement plan.


80 posted on 08/04/2005 11:10:09 AM PDT by Alex Marko
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