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Grad Student Believes Wood May Replace Oil
YAHOO NEWS ^ | 08/03/2005 | AP

Posted on 08/04/2005 6:35:33 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist

MOSCOW, Idaho - A University of Idaho graduate student believes the answer to the world's crude oil crisis grows on trees. Juan Andres Soria says he has developed a process that turns wood into bio-oil, a substance similar to crude oil.

The process — in which sawdust and methanol are heated to 900 degrees Fahrenheit to create the bio-oil — is already drawing some interest from energy and wood product companies, Soria said.

"But because it's quite novel, there's a bit of reserve," he said.

Soria is testing his theory with the help of Armando McDonald, associate professor of wood chemistry and composites in the University of Idaho's College of Natural Resources.

Though the idea may sound far-fetched, Soria and McDonald say the theory has precedent in nature — coal is the result of trees being subjected to high amounts of heat and pressure.

"We're trying to speed up the process," McDonald said. "Rather than doing it in millions of years, can we do it in minutes?"

So far, Soria's research has focused on sawdust from Ponderosa pine trees, although he said any variety of tree could be used, including fast-growing varieties like those being cultivated for wood pulp. Only about 2 percent of the mass is lost in the heating process, he said. After the bio-oil is produced, he separates it by boiling points, or grades. So far, he said, he's identified oil grades that could someday replace gasoline, tar, glues and resins that make things like lawn furniture.

Ponderosa pine sawdust is only the beginning, Soria and McDonald claim. Next, they will begin testing to see if they can get bio-oil from pine needles and bark.

The two are doing the research without grant money. Soria plans to use the research in his dissertation for his doctorate. If the private sector likes the idea enough to back it financially, Soria said he could put together an industrial-size bio refinery in five years.

Still, he said, the bio-oil isn't likely to be an immediate competitor to crude oil. Crude oil currently costs about $60 a barrel, and bio-oil will only be competitive when the cost of crude oil reaches $80 a barrel, Soria said.


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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

There is a huge new development being built across the road from where I live. Step one seems to be bulldoze all of the trees down, while Step two is pile them up and burn them. I guess the air wasn't dirty enough or maybe it was too cool at 90 degrees.


41 posted on 08/04/2005 7:36:27 AM PDT by sportutegrl (People who say, "All I know is . . ." really mean, "All I want you to focus on is . . .")
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To: Minnesoootan
IIRC - Years ago, American Timber, In Olney, MT, started by collecting the scrap that was left from logging operations. They could take the smaller trees and get 2x4s out of them. Most bigger operations, Plum Creek found that it was not cost effective.
42 posted on 08/04/2005 7:41:28 AM PDT by Bear_Slayer (Montani semper liberi !)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
We have Penn State students working on coal alternatives to even process jet fuel. Wait till the anti everything eco nuts find out about these type things. We aren't even allowed to get our own oil out of the ground in the USA. Thanks AlGore!!
43 posted on 08/04/2005 7:48:47 AM PDT by BallyBill (..the only quagmire I see is the one the Media is stuck in..)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

At ~$2.50/gallon, methanol ain't exactly cheap as a feedstock.


44 posted on 08/04/2005 8:05:11 AM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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To: Puddleglum

Probably an electric furnace.


45 posted on 08/04/2005 8:05:36 AM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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To: hflynn
LOL!!!!!!

Great post

46 posted on 08/04/2005 8:10:01 AM PDT by hawkaw
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The only problem is that another name for hemp is marijuana.

Which is why marijuana will never be legal. Fuel oil can be cheaply extracted from hemp seed. Hemp competes with both fuel and paper, and legal hemp threatens both of those industries.

It's not about dope, it's about protecting old industry from new competition.
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47 posted on 08/04/2005 8:25:39 AM PDT by mugs99
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To: mugs99
It's not about dope, it's about protecting old industry from new competition.

Starting with William Randolph Hearst's campaign to criminalize hemp when a hemp gin was perfected that threatened his newsprint empire.

48 posted on 08/04/2005 8:42:02 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws spawned the runaway federal health care monopoly and fund terrorism.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

HEMP BUMP


49 posted on 08/04/2005 9:40:32 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (If there was a problem, yo! I'll solve it!!)
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To: newgeezer
energy ping.

Same as bio diesel but a different plant.

50 posted on 08/04/2005 9:43:26 AM PDT by biblewonk (They are not gods which are made with hands.)
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To: jbstrick

Perhaps you think normal oil is refined without heat?


51 posted on 08/04/2005 9:45:06 AM PDT by biblewonk (They are not gods which are made with hands.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Grad Student Believes Wood May Replace Oil

In related news, grade schooler believes that people can all walk to work, high school student believes that solar powered vehicles are practical, Democrats believe that wealth should be distributed rather than earned.

52 posted on 08/04/2005 9:48:04 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I hope Eileen Collins does not have a heart attack after she reads this theory.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1456822/posts


53 posted on 08/04/2005 9:51:34 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: biblewonk

After reading this, I envision the little lady having a half-baked design for a perpetual-motion machine lying around somewhere.


54 posted on 08/04/2005 10:04:19 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: biblewonk

Oh, Soria is a guy. So, strike that "little lady" remark, and replace it with any of a number of nutty-professor epithets. :)


55 posted on 08/04/2005 10:06:20 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: Puddleglum
What do you heat it to 900 degrees with?

Firewood ?

56 posted on 08/04/2005 10:08:01 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: newgeezer

I think it's probably not the most efficient way to get your bio product for conversion. I'm sure there is an optimum in converting sunlight to the right plant and converting that plant into oil with the least energy.


57 posted on 08/04/2005 10:09:41 AM PDT by biblewonk (They are not gods which are made with hands.)
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To: biblewonk
Certainly, the idea of turning a waste product into energy can be even more intriguing than that of growing and harvesting a plant. But, in either case, the bottom line has to take into consideration weighing the output (benefits) against all of the inputs (costs).

I'm no scientist but, this one sounds silly (even if oil is $80/bbl).

58 posted on 08/04/2005 10:22:08 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: newgeezer

I don't see why it sounds silly, except I think it would take a ton of energy to convert wood to sawdust. Why not just grow that crack grass or whatever that one kind of grass is that is grown for burning?


59 posted on 08/04/2005 10:23:35 AM PDT by biblewonk (They are not gods which are made with hands.)
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To: Nonstatist; biblewonk
What do you heat it to 900 degrees with?

Firewood ?

Of course. That's where he got the sawdust in the first place.

BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-...

60 posted on 08/04/2005 10:24:01 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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