Let's Have No More Monkey Trials - To teach faith as science is to undermine both

Time Magazine ^ | Monday, Aug. 01, 2005 | CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER

[chariotdriver]

All you proven is your cause and its gurus, disciples as it were, are not b_sharp but b_sh**.

I see the 'gambit' for what it is, and 90% of it has ZERO to do with science evolution creation and argument there of. When and if I get the time I'll put the 'gambit' down step by step.

[spunkets]

"From everything I have read here from those who support evolution I have concluded that they are a dangerous autocratic bunch with a grasping hold on science and the way science is done and understood. This monopoly needs to be broken up. "

You don't have the knowledge and understanding to come to the conclusion you have. You don't have the background to understand some little bit, if not any of the subject mat'l.

The "monopoly" you seek to destroy is not science, but reason and truth itself.

[eleni121]

You can't handle the fact that there are those with superior intellect to yours (lots of those) who disagree with you on evolution and darwinism.

Keep a check on all that anger will you?

[spunkets]

"lots"

Right. I'll accept arguements from "claims of authority" as truth when all the world's beautiful women worship at my feet. I make the judgements on the evidence. I decide. If the council claiming authority nexpects me to believe what they say and conclude, they better well be speaking the truth and acknowledge error.

[Elsie]

Concil?

That thing about my enemy's enemy, maybe?


Uh, common goal in a certain instance.

Uh, when the house is afire the McCoy's and the Hatfield's join to put it out?

More??

[Elsie]

or something else?

[Elsie]

Neither: it is Spirit.

[Doctor Stochastic]

"Dead" isn't necessarily the equivalent of "non-living."

[spunkets]

yeah, cryptic works.

[Doctor Stochastic]

Are you claiming that Mustafa Akyol (of BAV/Harun Yahya fame) was not brought to Kansas by the Conservative Republican members of the board?

[Doctor Stochastic]

So we can assume that you support the hiring of Mustafa Akyol. Do you also believe that Evolutionary Theory is a Jewish Plot as his organizations claim? Perhaps you do not consider this an extremist claim.

[Doctor Stochastic]

So you claim that humans arise from non-human cells. OK.

You also claim that sperm (and ova) are living, OK.

This means that humans are just sperm and ova's method of making more sperm and ova. Sounds fine.

[Doctor Stochastic]

Had the god of the Hebrews been as numerically proficient s that of the Chinese, he could have given them 355/113 which is even more accurate; it't the best you can do with 3-digit approximations.

[Right Wing Professor]

Oh, there's lots of traveling being done. Not only did creationists bring Islamists to Kansas, but lots of prominent creationists are busy in the Islamic world, helping their Islamist allies - for example, helping Harun Yahya desecularize Turkish society.

http://www.srf-tr.org/comments.htm

It's a lovely thought that while our marines are being butchered by Islamist nuts in Iraq, just over the border American creationists are helping said Islamists take over another country.

[b_sharp]

That wasn't intended as a put down. I'm sure if you ask anyone else they would agree with me. Lack of knowledge is not a bad thing, as long as it is recognized and an attempt is made to correct it.

[b_sharp]

"You are debunked...defrocked, and deceived. Those far better than your arrogant self say: "

I suggest you take some time, visit http://www.talkorigins.org/, http://www.talkdesign.org/, http://www.pandasthumb.org/, and look at papers done by biologists, mathematicians and philosophers that work in the field every day.

When I give information on here, that information is from those three sites and from actually spending time conversing with those same scientists. I may not communicate what they are trying to teach me but I relay the information as accurately as my little brain is capable of.

You might also spend time listening to the scientists here who do know what they are talking about every bit as much as your quoted author.

[b_sharp]

"All you proven is your cause and its gurus, disciples as it were, are not b_sharp but b_sh**."

"I see the 'gambit' for what it is, and 90% of it has ZERO to do with science evolution creation and argument there of. When and if I get the time I'll put the 'gambit' down step by step."

Way to go! [Thunderous applause]

[b_sharp]

John McCoy?

[b_sharp]

"Neither: it is Spirit."

In that case I suggest it does not exist.

[b_sharp]

""Dead" isn't necessarily the equivalent of "non-living."

I understand that, but I'll bet there are some here who disagree.