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With Gipper's game plan, Rudy can win it all
Chi Sun Times ^ | July 30, 2005 | THOMAS ROESER

Posted on 07/30/2005 5:55:36 AM PDT by Uncledave

With Gipper's game plan, Rudy can win it all

July 30, 2005

BY THOMAS ROESER Advertisement

As I write this I know my fellow social conservatives will get mad: There is no one in either political party who would be a more exciting candidate for president than Rudy Giuliani, former mayor of New York City. I'll tell you his story -- the good and the bad -- and I'll tell you how he can solve his problems with you. And me. Incidentally, as you read, keep in mind the contrast with Mayor Daley.

The good and bad about Rudy is contained in a book, The Prince of the City [Encounter: 2005] by Fred Siegel, a hard-bitten teacher at Cooper Union University. The good: Rudy came into office in 1994 a Republican in a Big Apple that was rotten to the core, steeped with bosses, bagmen and racial arsonists, a hostile "combination of liberal consensus and helplessness [that] made serious policy debate seem irrelevant," and quickly brought in a band of brother prosecutors from the U.S. attorney's office. They gave up millions in private law firm salaries for the fun of working and drinking (after hours) with Rudy. Most never left his side until his two terms ran out in 2001.

Giuliani was an eerily compulsive hands-on manager. If you want to understand him, said an associate, remember that as a Yankee fan he's the guy who keeps score and writes down how each out and each run took place. Just as when he read The Godfather he diagrammed how the mob worked, for relaxation he would sketch on a pad how every department worked. He would explain to the public clearly what he wanted to do: cut the size of government, cut taxes to attract jobs "so people can work," consolidate or cut out city departments, introduce competition to delivery of services and work with the governor [Democrat Mario Cuomo] "to get our fair share of revenue."

He insisted on tough police standards, once jumping out of his limo in Times Square to chase a guy he saw grab a woman's purse. He was heedless of civil libertarians. It seemed like he wanted to offend all interest groups and took the heat, forgetting the polls. Crime in 1995 saw 163,428 fewer felonies, with murder dropping 16 percent in 1996. He trumpeted that work is the best social welfare policy, pushing welfare reform, announcing that 23 percent of the welfare recipients in Jersey City were also receiving New York City benefits. He balanced his budget, fought with Al Sharpton against what he called "racial racketeering," and grinned as he took heat from minority communities.

The bad? Giuliani was ego-driven. He got jealous of his police commissioner, who was getting more favorable press than he, fired him and hired another (who was just as tough). Giuliani's personal life fell into tatters: his first marriage annulled, his second wife was a TV anchor who drove him nuts. He spatted with her, kept public company with a divorcee, came down with prostate cancer, married again. His political career was pronounced over. Then came 9/11.

That tragedy redeemed him. When the first plane hit the north tower, Guiliani ran from the Pinnacle Hotel where he was at a breakfast, shouting over his cell phone that command headquarters should move from 7 World Trade Center to Barclay Street a block away. Good thinking: Just as they evacuated, the plane hit the south tower. The debris was so heavy his command center was inundated. With his cell phone deadened, Giuliani's staff thought he was dead as well, but a janitor found him dazed and led him out through a little-known passage in the basement.

Television captured the man at that moment, stumbling down the street in the smoke, his handkerchief to his mouth, directing his city through uncharted territory, ordering all bridges and tunnels shut down. Courage is the most important virtue, said Churchill: It guarantees all others. As Bush retires, he should be supplanted by a man of this valor.

Social conservatives will oppose Giuliani for his pro-abortion views. It's up to Giuliani to help himself with them, and here's how. As governor of California, Ronald Reagan signed the most permissive abortion law in the country. Rudy, can you hear me? If you want this thing -- this presidency -- you gotta change and mean it. Your marriages we can do nothing about. But your social views have to change. They'll say you're an opportunist, but you have heard that before. You can change. And mean it. We're waiting.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: giuliani; giuliani2008; mushmouthrino; rino; scumbagrino
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To: dubyaismypresident

The only way to know is wait till 2008 I will bet Hillary wins Florida if Gulini doesnt run.


301 posted on 07/30/2005 12:36:36 PM PDT by Sentis
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To: Sentis
If Giuliani or Hillary win, liberals win big.

Giuliani is as likely as Hillary to put Souter-Ginsburg style justices on the Supreme Court. That's where the battle of the ages is really centered. If liberals win there, they win the whole war irrespective of the makeup of Congress. All the work that conservatives, especially religious conservatives, put into getting a conservative majority in both houses of Congress will be for naught if a president is elected who will perpetuate the "living constitution" fraud.

302 posted on 07/30/2005 12:37:08 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: dubyaismypresident

"Also the current adminisration would probably get blamed for it happening."

You're right. If an attack were to occur, and the terrorists could be liked to coming across this border illegally....the administration would get blamed. The whole conservative base would turn on Bush if this happened.....


303 posted on 07/30/2005 12:37:30 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (islamofascism, like socialism must be eradicated from the face of this earth)
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To: Sentis
The only way to know is wait till 2008

Well, we have finally reached agreement on something.

Enjoy your weekend

Ciao.

304 posted on 07/30/2005 12:37:59 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the Federalist Society?)
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To: DoughtyOne

No problem. I just wish that more conservatives, talk radio hosts, and GOP politicians would use this list against the Left.

It is a prophetic and frightening list of goals, it shows exactly what decisions the left has fought for and where they are going next.


305 posted on 07/30/2005 12:39:45 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (islamofascism, like socialism must be eradicated from the face of this earth)
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To: Uncledave

306 posted on 07/30/2005 12:40:05 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: JCEccles

I'm more concerned with what the conservatives do. If Guliani is in the White House Hillary isn't if he isn't there Hillary probably is. I really could care less what the religious conservatives do and they defiantly did not win both houses of congress for the conservatives at best they kept us from getting there sooner.

But believe what you will.


307 posted on 07/30/2005 12:41:50 PM PDT by Sentis
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To: cloud8

Licensing leads to banning and confiscation. It's a stealth process, but one which does happen. We need someone at least neutral, if not friendly, to gun rights.


308 posted on 07/30/2005 12:44:33 PM PDT by Patriotic1
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To: RepublicanMensan
I like him. He's almost "untouchable" by the democrats due to his 9/11 performance and his past moderate views.

Moderate? I know that I've seen him called a RINO by liberal publications. They mean it as a compliment.

309 posted on 07/30/2005 12:45:59 PM PDT by Patriotic1
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To: Gelato

Rudy, using the leftist talking point "undocumented alien".

More proof this guy is a fraud. I will stay home if he's nominated in 08.


310 posted on 07/30/2005 12:46:21 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (islamofascism, like socialism must be eradicated from the face of this earth)
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To: oceanview
hell, even the Dems are afraid to propose new restrictive gun laws.

Because they know that they won't win in this tight balance of power in the House and Senate, and with a 2A friendly president.

311 posted on 07/30/2005 12:47:31 PM PDT by Patriotic1
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To: Stellar Dendrite

Stay home. We will win without you.


312 posted on 07/30/2005 12:47:34 PM PDT by Sentis
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To: Patriotic1

Bush had a much worse record on gun control tha Guliani has now when he entered the White house lest we forget.

Texas Gov. George W. Bush, bringing his GOP presidential campaign to an area stung by episodes of wanton gun violence, Friday endorsed efforts in Congress to raise the legal age for gun ownership to 21 from 18.

Bush also backed proposals in Congress to outlaw certain large ammunition clips and repeated his support for background checks on firearms sales at gun shows.

'I support them all,'' Bush said when asked about the proposals. ''These are all reasonable measures.''


313 posted on 07/30/2005 12:50:03 PM PDT by Sentis
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To: SE Mom

Rudy is a leader. McCain was imprisoned and a hero.


314 posted on 07/30/2005 1:00:04 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Uncledave

I personally like Rudy, but I just can't pull the lever for him. He'd be a great cabinent guy for treasury or HUD, but I can't risk him appointing leftist judges and signing gun grabs and pro-abort laws.


315 posted on 07/30/2005 1:04:25 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan (Member - NRA, SAF, MGO, SAFR)
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To: cloud8
****Does this statement by Giuliani on gun control fit the definition of "gun grabber?"

"Anyone wanting to own a gun should have to pass a written exam that shows that they know how to use a gun, that they're intelligent enough and responsible enough to handle a gun. Should both handgun and rifle owners be licensed...we're talking about all dangerous weapons." ****

Answer -- YES.

Reason 1 -- Take that same quote, substitute vote for gun. That's a tad unconstitutional.

Reason 2, Last time I read the 2nd Amendment the word "Test" wasn't there.

Reason 3, Take the rest of the Bill of Rights or any of the constitution for that matter and insert the word "Test". Go ahead, try, that would hold up in court for about 10 seconds. In fact "Test" is strictly PROHIBITED by the Constitution.

Reason 4 -- Take this part of the quote; "that shows... they're intelligent enough and responsible enough".

Oh really? Now who pray tell will decide on that??? Some gubmint bureaucrat with the IQ of a stick? I don't think so.

Bottom line, Rudy can go to hell. Better yet, stay in NYC. Wait that the same thing, never mind.

I AM THE NRA

Molon Labe!

316 posted on 07/30/2005 1:06:11 PM PDT by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
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To: montag813
He was not a gun grabber per se but a proponent on gun licensing and "testing".

That's because most guns were already grabbed in NYC. Sullivan Law of 1913(around then).

317 posted on 07/30/2005 1:10:58 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan (Member - NRA, SAF, MGO, SAFR)
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To: Sentis
***Rudy like all Northern Republicans have to be liberal on some social issues merely to survive politically in those states.***

Oh please, that's utter hogwash.
Rudy's from NY, IS NY, will always be NY. And he always WAS a liberal and always WILL be a liberal. That's who he is. A tough on crime Liberal statist, who calls himself a republican.

And lest we forget, Rudy was a Democrat - and not like RR where the party left him. Rudy changed for political expediency.

Plus he talks funny.
At least 'Da Mare', Richie Daley went to a speech coach.

318 posted on 07/30/2005 1:17:22 PM PDT by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
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To: Sentis
The religous right will vote for whoever the Republicans put up they have no choice other than TO STAY HOME and NOT vote.
319 posted on 07/30/2005 1:20:36 PM PDT by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
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To: Condor51

Oh and Bush gets a pass on his left leanings and he is from Texas and Guliani who isn't half the gun grabber as Bush and gets no such pass. Hmm


320 posted on 07/30/2005 1:21:36 PM PDT by Sentis
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