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JessesMom
Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:41 pm
JessesMom wrote:
Yes, this was an interesting conversation. When asked by Greta about the rumors that she is alive, Venezuela, Beth referred to the fact that Joran has gamling debts at all the casinos, an open line of credit, indicated that those 2 ideas go together. When Greta asked her what percentage probability would she give to the scenario that Natalee is still alive, Beth hesitated and then said I'm going that she's still alive. She had already made reference to the fact that there is no indication that she is on the island.
I'm glad they're coming out with this idea. I think a lot of us have been thinking along these lines for awhile, including me .... maybe it's just wishful thinking that she is alive out there somewhere, but obviously the HT's are holding out this hope also.
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sunmoonstars
New postPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 11:08 pm
Greta w Beth & Jug Monday Pm
We talked to some of the friends that were on the trip. Beth is like one of their best friends.
Friends came over this afternoon and we talked about the trip and got the real picture of what happened.
I saw specific details that were eating me alive
Pvds stated he picked them up at 4am
When we went to his home, is the first time he changed it to 11pm
Jug: I really hope that the new people involved. Getting Van der Stratten out of the way, things can go back to the beginning.
Statements were not taken for 19 days
Need to go back and talk to a lot of people
Beth: I cannot wait to go back to Aruba
Jug: When we drove up, Joran, Deepak and Paulus were there and they have the answers
Beth: They were no more credible witnesses than anybody. They have no credibility.
They have the fisherman, resturant help and security guards saying there is no way they saw Natalee there.
They need to rearrest them.
Nailing the three together at the racquet club.
If Deepak and Satish are saying that is where they left Joran and Nat, it is a lie.
Optomistic about new investigators
Jug: My friends who came down to help me went to the international school. They took posters to the school and were actually writing on there, wrote on the bottom of them asked Joran.
Headmaster comes out and says come into my office. He was a nice guy.
He tells about Joran and father came in the day before and discussed a little about what happened.
The father said in front of the headmaster: Joran, you need to come clean you've already admitted you had relationships with Natalee. We need to tell the true story or something like that.
Headmaster said I understand the video at hotel had a break in it and that is why they didn't see them pull up at HI.
I also understand they may have been swimming and she may have hit her head.
Jug wondering how the headmaster knew all that two days later?
The police say they have talked to him, but family has no details.
We ask, they wont tell us.
Why would Joran tell the headmaster that there was a break in the tape at the HI??
Beth: Deepak, Satish and Joran were the last three to see Natalee. There is no way that I believe that Deepak and Satish have any credibility as a witness saying they left Natalee and Joran at the beach.
Jug: There is no physical evidence that she is not. As much as we have searched and looked and prayed. There are so many stories out there where he could be connected to this or that or this could have happened because of gamblind. Or this could have happend because of that. There is a big possibility that she is alive.
Beth: You are hearing this gambling debt. Joran has an open line of credit at every casino. Had one at Excelsior...where is that casino manager? Did he leave the country?
Greta: What about these stories that she may be in Venezuela?
Beth: That is where I tie it back to these gambling issues. I just don't know if that could have played into it or not. Who knows where his connections were, what connections he had at these casinos. I think about that as a kidnapping or transaction, I don't know.
Greta: What is your level of reliance on that, that she is still alive?
Beth: I have nothing to prove to me that she is not. Absolutely nothing, so I am going for she is alive. Because I just don't have anything else.
I wish Natalee's "missing poster' would be displayed in Venezula just to cover all bases. If it's a possibility - go for it.
If Joran has told everything but the truth, then perhaps the truth is in what he has not told. I have never heard in any of his 20+ statements about Natalee being kidnapped. That seems to be one story he has not told.