America's Hiroshima: America's Date with Disaster - (take this seriously!

CHRONWATCH.COM ^ | JULY 26, 2005 | Barbara J. Stock

[CHARLITE]

"the rage would be unlike anything the world has ever witnessed."

I'm still advocating a demonstration of "shock and awe" which will also be "unlike anything the world has ever witnessed." . . . and it should be done pre-emptively. I see this exactly as Harry S. Truman saw the necessity for Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It was indeed terribly brutal to innocent Japanese civilians, but so was our carpet bombing of German cities, particularly Dresden, Leipzig and Hamburg, but those drastic military assaults did indeed save untold numbers of lives.

We should do the same thing with islamofascism. I would suggest selected military-industrial (nuclear, WMD) facilities in Iran, as well as possibly flattening Damascus........for openers. Then see about how peaceful the "religion of peace" suddenly becomes.

For those who argue that we can't do anything like that for fear of "provoking" these people, I say......nonsense. Their 1,400 blood-and-death cult was built on rationalizing brutal assaults from concocting how "provoked" they were, concerning how it was, through 14 centuries, that non-Muslims even existed! That's the whole MO - wipe out everyone unlike themselves and then send the entire planet back to the 7th century. If we want to save our civilization, we must destroy them. It is that simple, and we aren't going to do that by sitting around waiting to be attacked again, so that we will have a "reason" for finally eradicating their centers of power and funding - Iran, Syria and.......alas.....Saudi Arabia. Too bad for those "royals" who aren't part of extreme Wahhabi. It's them or us.

Thanks for your strong comments, kalee.

Char

[TheCrusader]

"We probably have to find a way to do so, (convert muslims), as I doubt any Western government has the stomach for the alternative."

We have found a way, we've employed it Iraq and Afghanistan, and the hope is that it will spread throughout the region. It's called democracy. And for all its great points, democracy (unfortunately) tends strongly towards secularism and the suppression of religion, (as we see happening today in America and every major Democracy in the world, and even in India and Turky).

Though I doubt Bush or any of his military commanders planned to use democracy for such a purpose in Iraq, it will eventually constrain and diminish religious fervor and dominance there, and any other middle eastern country it may spread to, including Afghanistan. For whatever the reason, elected officials in a democracy don't like any challenges to their authority, especially from religion. Personally, I think that once the yoke of Islamic oppression is diminished by the light and freedoms of democracy, Islam will be an extraordinarily easy religion for the people to neglect.

In the meantime the fight rages on between freedom and slavery, Democracy and theocracy, Christianity and Islam. Though few will say out loud the fight is between Christianity and Islam, most people know this in their hearts. Islam will fail utterly because it is a power loosed from Hell, and like all tyrannies its grip on people is the grip of fear. The men are toilers and servants to the mullahs and imams, and the women are chattel. When these gullible dupes of Islam decide to shake off this yoke of fear, the shackles of Islam will be lifted and the revolt will be unstoppable. Democracy will go a very long way in enlightening their dark souls. The gates of hell will not prevail against God and His people.

[slowhandluke]

We have found a way, we've employed it Iraq and Afghanistan, and the hope is that it will spread throughout the region. It's called democracy. And for all its great points, democracy (unfortunately) tends strongly towards secularism and the suppression of religion, (as we see happening today in America and every major Democracy in the world, and even in India and Turky).

We'll have to disagree on this. Democracy, unless tightly bound by checks and balances, tends towards tyranny. Tyrants will choose a religion or ideology that supports further tyranny. The Iraqi democracy chose its own end when it chose to support Sharia.

The West isn't just suppressing religion, its trying to replace it with a single politically correct ideology, and a pacifist one at that (at least for the general unarmed population.

The brilliance of our founding fathers was in supporting Liberty. They thought they could tie down democracy well enough to use it as a way to govern without the lose of liberty.

Once we get educated to a single, secular, politically correct ideology, the need to allow multiple lines of thought and individual activity will not be so apparent. Different ways of thinking and acting will seen as anti-social, and will be suppressed. Take a look at the http://nannyknowsbest.blogspot.com/ blog, and the other sites that talk about the British ASBO (anti-social behavior order).

The founding fathers were very leary of democracy. Liberty was their watchword. Bush is going down the wrong path pushing Democracy and not Liberty.

Ann Coulter had the right idea on how to educate the Islamic world on Liberty. "Give us Liberty, or you die".

[calenel]

"So there's a prediction that you can fact check me on over the next 5 months. I'll be right while you are still in wide-eyed panic."

I'm not the one panicking in denial.

Iran has already produced po-210, in case you didn't know. That isn't the hard part. The argument as to whether Iran or North Korea will be first to detonate a nuclear weapon is just another straw man to help you try to hide the FACT that you can't support your position. I haven't got a dog in that fight.

You have your head in the sand, trying to pretend that the barbarians are too stupid to copy our 60 year old technology.

[185JHP]

We can slow the roll of the islamocrazies by dealing convincingly with their financial backers. Easy say, somewhat harder do. But we can do it, if/when we find the will. Nasty *governments* are the mother's milk of the islamofilth...

[Southack]

"You have your head in the sand, trying to pretend that the barbarians are too stupid to copy our 60 year old technology."

The barbarians have fewer resources and fewer educated minds than does North Korea and Iran.

North Korea and Iran will therefore have workable nukes *BEFORE* Al Qaeda.

Neither North Korea nor Iran has reached the point where they are comfortable testing a weapon, for whatever technical or geopolitical weapons...

...And considering the U.S. nuclear response in retaliation for an attempted nuclear attack (ditto for Israel and Russia), you can rest well assured that North Korea and Iran will each perform at least one nuclear test prior to an attack.

No atomic test = no atomic attack

[calenel]

"North Korea and Iran will therefore have workable nukes *BEFORE* Al Qaeda."

They might have workable nuclear programs before AQ. But AQ is not trying to become a nuclear superpower, just to terrorize one.

[Southack]

"Frankly, my money says that Iran will have a successful nuclear test before North Korea and that neither will be able to test this year.

So there's a prediction that you can fact check me on over the next 5 months. I'll be right while you are still in wide-eyed panic." - Southack

Gee, I'm right yet again. Who woulda thunk it.

Anyone for double or nothing?!

[19th LA Inf]

I have read a lot of what has been published about the early nuclear bombs of WW 2, and my understanding is that the U-235 or "cannonball" bomb didn't need the exotic trigger materials and was not a high tech design at all. It seems that the Navy weapons people charged with designing the "gun" worried about catching the "plug" if it went through the "doughnut" without going off. They were assured by Oppenheimer's people that there was nothing to worry about. It was only the plutonium implosion bomb design that got into exotic design problems because it required literally squeezing a solid metal sphere into a smaller volume in microseconds, something that had never been done.

[Southack]

There's considerable oversimplification of nuclear weapons design in the public domain.

Keep in mind that the entire might of Nazi Germany couldn't do it.

Those who tell you that an old rusty cannon barrel and a globe of U235 are all that's needed are woefully uninformed.

[Zeroisanumber]

Bull. Absolute, B-thriller novel, bull.

[mojojockey]

nice tagline.....I wonder why Tavis Smiley is so fond of Castro.

[RockinRight]

If up to me, within 72 hours Iran, Syria, Lybia, and Saudi Arabia would be smoldering piles of radioactive rubble.

[hinckley buzzard]

"FBI consultant, Paul L. Williams"

Definition of a "consultant:" Someone who knows the same stuff you do but comes from more than forty miles away.

[A CA Guy]

Thank God it isn't up to you then, because if we did that, the rest of the remaining world would try and take us out being we would be a world threat.

We have to be more measured than your solution, or at least we have to have a good reason for every major bombing IMO.