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New Jersey legislators push bill to stop drivers from smoking while driving
The Canadian Press ^ | July 25, 2005 | Staff

Posted on 07/25/2005 4:38:43 AM PDT by jeepgal

TRENTON, N.J. (AP) - Ashtrays have been disappearing in cars like fins on Cadillacs, and so could smoking while driving in New Jersey, under a measure introduced in the Legislature.

Although the measure faces long odds, it still has smokers incensed and arguing it's a Big Brother intrusion that threatens to take away one of the few places they can enjoy their habit. "The day a politician wants to tell me I can't smoke in my car, that's the day he takes over my lease payments," said John Cito, a financial planner from Hackensack with a taste for $20 US cigars.

Those cigars, pipes and cigarettes would become no-nos for drivers. Offenders would be stung with a fine of up to $250, under the measure, whose sponsor said it's designed more to improve highway safety than protect health.

Some states, including New Jersey, have considered putting the brakes on smoking while children are in the car. But none have gone for an outright ban on smoking while driving, according to Washington, D.C.-based Action on Smoking and Health, the country's oldest anti-tobacco organization.

Smokers, feeling like easy targets, say enough already. They argue they've been forced outside office buildings, run off the grounds of public facilities, and asked to pony up more in per-pack excise taxes when states feel a budget squeeze.

"With smoking, it's becoming increasingly fashionable to target legislation or prohibitions," said George Koodray, a member of the Metropolitan Cigar Society, a 100-strong group that meets in Paterson for dinner and a smoke.

Assemblyman John McKeon, a tobacco opponent whose father died of emphysema, sponsored the legislation. He cites a AAA-sponsored study on driver distractions in which the automobile association found that of 32,000 accidents linked to distraction, one per cent were related to smoking.

The measure, co-sponsored by Assemblywoman Lorretta Weinberg, a fellow Democrat, was introduced last month just before legislators' summer break. It faces some improbable odds for passing.

Some legislators may fear the bill is frivolous compared with more pressing issues like taxes, said political analyst David Rebovich.

And there's this to consider: Traffic safety groups acknowledge motorists now widely ignore the state's year-old law against using hand-held cellphones, so why would smoking be any different?

Mitchell Sklar, of the New Jersey State Association of Chiefs of Police, said police departments may balk at enforcing such a law. "In general, we'd rather not try to incrementally look at every single behaviour and make those a violation," he said.


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To: 6SJ7

....this smoking ban is getting really ridiculous....


41 posted on 07/25/2005 6:45:52 AM PDT by smiley
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To: smiley

Isn't it?


42 posted on 07/25/2005 7:22:22 AM PDT by Gabz (USSG Warning: Portable sewing machines are known to cause broken ankles)
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To: jeepgal
All any of these people, in every state, want is the fine revenue. If they were honest about it they'd just let us all pitch in $100 on January 1st to a central federal fund (so it'll be managed honestly) and then we do whatever we want the rest of the year. They get their money and we get left alone.

I wouldn't even care what they did with the money as long as I can smoke, use the cell and CB radio, ride WITHOUT a $#^@%ing seatbelt, and drive a nice, sedate 80 mph.
43 posted on 07/25/2005 9:27:29 AM PDT by neverhome (If Michael Jackson eats a fruitcake... izzit cannilbalism???)
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To: SheLion
Oral sex in a car going down the highway is MUCH worse then EVER smoking a cigarette.

A gentleman would refrain from inquiring as to exactly how you gained your expertise.

Fortunately for me, I'm no gentleman...

44 posted on 07/25/2005 9:30:27 AM PDT by metesky (This land was your land, this land is MY land; I bought the rights from a town selectman!)
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To: SheLion
Thanks for the ping...idjits in New Jersey running amok, eh?

Assemblyman John McKeon, a tobacco opponent whose father died of emphysema, sponsored the legislation. He cites a AAA-sponsored study on driver distractions in which the automobile association found that of 32,000 accidents linked to distraction, one per cent were related to smoking.

One percent, eh? Well, good golly, we'd best do something about that! It's a positive epidemic! < / sarcasm off.

He lost his father to emphysema, but this legislation is more about public safety than public health? Gimme a break. I'm very sorry he lost his father-I'm lucky enough that my parents (smokers that they are!) are alive and well.

But, we're supposed to believe this is about public safety. With this assemblyman, it might actually be about public health, but it's usually all about the Benjamins, baby.

Some states, including New Jersey, have considered putting the brakes on smoking while children are in the car.

And so what do they plan to do about that? Fine you or report you to CPS for engaging in a legal activity around your children? Worse, take your kids from you on the spot? Next thing you know, you'll be fined or reported to CPS if you have your kids in the car in the McD's drive thru. It sounds stupid, but that's because we're not whacked out libs trying to legislate folks' behavior "for their own good".

45 posted on 07/25/2005 10:26:57 AM PDT by exnavychick (There's too much youth; how about a fountain of smart?)
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To: SheLion
Oral sex in a car going down the highway is MUCH worse...

Depends on how it's being done ... :D

46 posted on 07/25/2005 11:07:11 AM PDT by GoldCountryRedneck ("Love and cooking should both be approached with wild abandon" - Author unknown)
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To: jeepgal
He cites a AAA-sponsored study on driver distractions in which the automobile association found that of 32,000 accidents linked to distraction, one per cent were related to smoking.

One percent?

Is this functional moron related to Cyntia McKinney?

47 posted on 07/25/2005 11:07:14 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: SheLion

Shep Smith just said on FNC,while discussing this NJ law, that cigarettes should be illegal anyway- What an ass--he probably loves his little drink,though.


48 posted on 07/25/2005 12:49:40 PM PDT by Mears (Keep the government out of my face!)
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To: 6SJ7

"Interesting how it is always the more 'progressive' states that are first with busy-body type legislation. I guess they've already solved all the serious problems."

Well, you know, they have to give the cops something to do, seeing as how they have no other crimes to police. /sarc


49 posted on 07/25/2005 3:07:41 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (Kelo, Grutter, and Roe all have to go. Will Roberts get us there--don't know. No more Souters.)
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To: gridlock

"So, if they can eliminate pretty girls by the roadside and car radios, they can reduce distraction accidents by 40.8%!"

Not just pretty girls. Billboards and street advertising are next after smoking. Just wait.


50 posted on 07/25/2005 3:09:50 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (Kelo, Grutter, and Roe all have to go. Will Roberts get us there--don't know. No more Souters.)
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To: Mears

I don't know. Perhaps he was saying it to scare the tobacco tax loving politicians. To get their goat.

I didn't see it myself, it's just a wild guess on my part.


51 posted on 07/25/2005 5:34:37 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: SheLion

Oral sex in a car going down the highway is MUCH worse then EVER smoking a cigarette.




No Comment. :D


52 posted on 07/25/2005 8:15:54 PM PDT by The Foolkiller ( Why......That sounds.....FOOLish!)
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To: SheLion
Oral sex in a car going down the highway is MUCH worse then EVER smoking a cigarette.

So, let the lawmakers stop THAT! heh!

Since all I ever did was smoke going down the highway, I think I'd need to test your theory first hand and then make a decision.

53 posted on 07/25/2005 8:20:18 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there.)
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To: exnavychick

this legislation is more about public safety than public health




An out-and-out LIE. It's only about further punishing & harassing the ever-reviled smokers.


54 posted on 07/25/2005 8:21:39 PM PDT by The Foolkiller ( Why......That sounds.....FOOLish!)
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To: 6SJ7

Need to get rid of passengers. They are more distracting than most anything. You know, all that talking back and forth.


55 posted on 07/25/2005 8:21:50 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there.)
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To: Paratrooper

Who's going to listen to a bunch of stuttering reformed drunks (AAA)?


56 posted on 07/25/2005 8:25:21 PM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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To: 6SJ7
No surprise.

New Jersey is the most densely populated state.

As population increases, freedom decreases.

57 posted on 07/25/2005 8:26:40 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: The Foolkiller

I meant to say, it's more about public health, for HIM. He's just trying to mask his motivation by saying it's about safety, rather than health.


58 posted on 07/25/2005 8:49:25 PM PDT by exnavychick (Whom the gods would destroy they first make chads.)
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To: exnavychick

Sure, I agree. That's what I meant, too. lol :D


59 posted on 07/25/2005 11:30:56 PM PDT by The Foolkiller ( Why......That sounds.....FOOLish!)
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Great Sticker, I want one for all my cars. Anyway what kind of Looser proposes such garbage? I guess being in office in the most over taxed, poorly run state in the union causes brain damage. Why is this jack ass wasting the over burdened tax payers money by even floating such a bill? Let’s face facts here. If the government of New Jersey can figure any way to extract more money from us, to support the garbage that re-elects them they will try it. Advice to the Government help the tax payers. Stop wasting there money!


60 posted on 07/26/2005 4:08:27 AM PDT by Davidfxs
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