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Man shot dead by police in London may have been Brazilian
BBC News ^ | 7/23/05

Posted on 07/23/2005 1:32:06 PM PDT by areafiftyone

A man shot dead by police in London was not connected to Thursday's attacks and may have been Brazilian. More Soon...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: darwinaward; dontactliketerrorist; donthavebrownskin; dontrunfrompolice; londonattacked
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To: mitchflorida2
"And if they think he has a bomb on his body, why would they tackle him????"

I believe they tackled him to keep him from getting up again and running. But tackling may have been the procedure they were taught. You don't shoot a weapon off in a train or elsewhere if there are civilians around, and there is a chance of ricochet. Before you fire that weapon, you'd better know where that bullet is going to end up. Shooting him in the head at close range was about the only way of ensuring that the bullets wouldn't go flying around the car, and also to ensure that a potential terrorist was totally dead.

261 posted on 07/23/2005 3:56:16 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway~~John Wayne)
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To: maestro

I would respond to you post...if I knew what you were saying.


262 posted on 07/23/2005 3:56:51 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: nj26

yes, you are right.. some folks on Freep are overtly and shamelessly racistic.. blaming that brazilian guy for looking muslim is utterly ridiculous.


263 posted on 07/23/2005 3:56:53 PM PDT by Analog Artist (My thoughts are like silvery liquid metal floating through infinite white space in zero gravity..)
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To: mass55th; mitchflorida2

They didn't tackle him. He fell.


264 posted on 07/23/2005 3:57:03 PM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: areafiftyone

Given that the guy did not stop for one second and was in full flight. I think it highly likely that he continued in this vein and was struggling with the police right up to the moment he was shot.

Tragic, but I do not blame the police.


265 posted on 07/23/2005 3:57:10 PM PDT by protest1
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To: AliVeritas

What I'm saying is this. Shooting a random Brazilian is a cock-up.

However justified the officers suspicions may have seemed, they got it wrong and used deadly force in a way that causes the situation here in the UK to get worse, not better.

Mr Blair should beward of his tendency to shift blame. It is extremely important that the forces who did this and the politicians that authorised this take full responsibility for this tragedy and justify their actions in a way that the public can accept. Otherwise trust is damaged at just the time we can least afford it to be.


266 posted on 07/23/2005 3:57:22 PM PDT by bernie_g
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Thanks for clearing that one up for me. I was still assuming he was tackled, but he did trip. We just don't know on what.


267 posted on 07/23/2005 3:57:32 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway~~John Wayne)
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To: areafiftyone

Thanks. I've got that straight now.


269 posted on 07/23/2005 3:58:09 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway~~John Wayne)
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To: mass55th
Thanks for clearing that one up for me. I was still assuming he was tackled, but he did trip. We just don't know on what.

Some say turnstile, others say barrier. One thing is clear, he did trip.

270 posted on 07/23/2005 3:59:10 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Liberalism is a form of insanity)
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To: protest1

My cousin is a NY detective and I know in those cases if she had to choose to save hundreds of lives I am sure she would have shot him too. It is tragic but it does happen.


271 posted on 07/23/2005 3:59:28 PM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: nj26

Thanks nj26 we dont need that kind of blanket statement. That is like saying american or british bomb first ask questions later. What an idiot for saying that.


272 posted on 07/23/2005 4:00:50 PM PDT by partyrepub
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To: Now_is_The_Time
Problem with your approach is that, the sample space is too wide.. it just gives terrorists an excuse to spread their wings.

While you profile Pakistanis, what if they bring along Bosnians/Chechens/Ossetians and Dagestanis ? All are fair skinned, blonde haired blue eyed folks, you cant typically distinguish from rest of europeans. Would you suggest killing all "european looking" people in London then ?

273 posted on 07/23/2005 4:01:13 PM PDT by Analog Artist (My thoughts are like silvery liquid metal floating through infinite white space in zero gravity..)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
When things are moving as rapidly as they probably were, you don't have time to stand there holding your chin contemplating or assessing whether a threat exists or not.

Of course there was a threat assessment. The conclusion was that the man posed a threat of detonating a bomb.

Otherwise killing him on the spot isn't justified.

274 posted on 07/23/2005 4:02:19 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: seamole
Brazilian possibly vaults the turnstile, perhaps after hearing a train pull in, and heads for the escalator.

And the other side of that coin is, since it's supposition anyhow, he had a designated time for the bomb to go off and was rushing to meet it. Hey it can spin either way.

275 posted on 07/23/2005 4:02:20 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: pbrown
"I'd blown his head off in a heartbeat too if I were them."

I'm with you. I've always said that if I was one of the cops chasing Rodney King that night, I'd have been hard pressed not to kick his ass too. Having chased the SOB for hours at high speeds through small towns, putting the lives of the people in the area and of the officers pursuing him at risk, he'd have been lucky if I hadn't shot him.

276 posted on 07/23/2005 4:02:54 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway~~John Wayne)
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To: areafiftyone

Dude shoulda stopped when ordered to by police, rather than jumping turnstiles and hopping a subway. Swarthy young men wearing heavy coats in the summer should know better than to run away from cops into a subway car.

Sadly, the Brits will PC this to death, and more ultimate tragedy will occur, as the cops refuse to properly stop actual perps.


277 posted on 07/23/2005 4:03:39 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Islam: Nothing BEER couldn't cure!)
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To: maestro
..maybe,...he was ANOTHER U.N. 'inspector-advisor' to British Intell,....and got killed in the 'woods'....??

...stay outta Dallas stuff?



He must absolutely have had some connection with KARL ROVE!?!
278 posted on 07/23/2005 4:05:06 PM PDT by danamco
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To: mass55th
I've always said that if I was one of the cops chasing Rodney King that night, I'd have been hard pressed not to kick his ass too.

They showed alot of restraint in not shooting him. King was very lucky to get off with only an a$$ kicking.

280 posted on 07/23/2005 4:06:17 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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