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House Endorses Moon-to-Mars Plans
Space.com ^ | 22 July 2004 | Andrew Taylor

Posted on 07/23/2005 4:14:04 AM PDT by demlosers

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"Get your ass to Mars!"
41 posted on 07/23/2005 11:21:25 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic ("We must be tolerant and understanding of those trying to blow us to pieces" - Ted Kennedy & Co.)
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To: Mamzelle

Would it be safe to assume you are a NASCAR fan? :-)


42 posted on 07/23/2005 11:59:32 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: demlosers

This is one thing I think is a good use for tax money. When I was a little kid, I remember the moon shots and thinking when I am grown up, we will have people on other planets. It seemed after we beat the USSR, we put NASA on the back burner.


43 posted on 07/23/2005 12:02:33 PM PDT by Hacksaw (Real men don't buy their firewood.)
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To: Our_Man_In_Gough_Island
Lost me there.

What I see is an upright torch, symbolizing freedom

44 posted on 07/23/2005 12:21:44 PM PDT by RightWhale (Substance is essentially the relationship of accidents to itself)
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To: RightWhale; Our_Man_In_Gough_Island
Your upright torch is what the gentleman with the July 3 sign-on date is referring to. It is a bundle of rods, which in Roman culture, symbolized the strength of purpose achievable by concerted effort.

He seems to be implying that your "The business of America is business..." is somehow a statement implying support for fascism.


fascism (fàsh´îz´em) noun
1. Often Fascism a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. b. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
2. Oppressive, dictatorial control.
[Italian fascismo, from fascio, group, from Late Latin fascium, neuter of Latin fascis, bundle.]
- fascis´tic (fe-shîs´tîk) adjective

In my opinion, it is an attempt to be "too clever by half," to no particular purpose.

And by the way, OMIGI, "Welcome to Free Republic!"

45 posted on 07/23/2005 5:16:15 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: iconoclast
A gigantically expensive space trip in the middle of a so-called war (in which we can't provide sufficient troop strength nor protect those that are there)?

Yep, you would think it was the 1960s again. (/sarcasm)

46 posted on 07/23/2005 8:11:26 PM PDT by anymouse
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To: NicknamedBob
OK, Techies, let's widen our education a bit:

The upright bundle of rods surrounding an ax is in Latin termed a " fasces". It did indeed symbolize strength via national unity AND COMMON MAJOR NATIONAL GOALS, and for this reason was also used as a symbol and name of the modern Italian movement "Fascism".

Fascism was in its early phases popular in the West, particularly by politicians such as FDR who wished to emphasize national unity during a crisis. The symbol was on the flip side of the FDR dime. It may be possible - will have to look it up - that later editions of the dime changed to a torch to avoid embarrassing connotations.

Some things they don't teach you in Hot Galaxy Space Comix, no?

47 posted on 07/24/2005 3:41:50 AM PDT by Our_Man_In_Gough_Island
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To: Young Werther; RightWhale; NicknamedBob
GMT will be the basis for all off planet activities.

Yes and no. :-)

Some satellites "deal" in GPS time. (13 seconds off from UTC)

48 posted on 07/24/2005 6:31:47 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: RightWhale
For the foreseeable future, manned expeditions will use ships time. If there is ever a self-sufficient settlement on a celestial body, they might make up their own time plan as a statement of local autonomy.

Nope. For the foreseeable future, since all exploration will be constrained to this solar system and will be in contact with the Earth, manned exploration will use either GPS or UTC time.

49 posted on 07/24/2005 6:35:13 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: NicknamedBob; Mind-numbed Robot
At some point, it would possibly be useful to many who are interested, to have a watch that gives us such an orientation.

http://pocketcalculatorshow.com/nerdwatch/graphics/casio-cgw91.jpg

It shows the position of the nine planets in the solar system, as well as Halley's comet. It also has the dates of all total solar eclipses. Its date range is from 1901 to 2200.

I have one. :-)

50 posted on 07/24/2005 6:46:10 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: Our_Man_In_Gough_Island; RightWhale
"The symbol was on the flip side of the FDR dime. It may be possible - will have to look it up ..."

Yeah. Why don't you do that? And while you're there, see if you can find out what the fasces symbol has to do with the business of getting a rocket to Mars?

Maybe that'll keep you busy.

A note to other readers: The fasces symbol has been used by countless organizations, from churches to the deeply irreligious. Using it is meant to convey the strength of organized purpose, not a rebirth of Mussolini's Fascist Italy. -- And now you can go back to your comics.

51 posted on 07/24/2005 7:02:39 AM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: RadioAstronomer

You're like a dose of sunshine. You know that, don't you?

By the way, are you sure the dates are accurate beyond 2100? That's not a leap year, you know.


52 posted on 07/24/2005 7:12:49 AM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: NicknamedBob
You're like a dose of sunshine. You know that, don't you?

:-)

By the way, are you sure the dates are accurate beyond 2100? That's not a leap year, you know.

As far as I know, all date calculations are correct. I will have to dig it out to be sure though.

53 posted on 07/24/2005 7:21:11 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: demlosers
What a colossal waste of money. This is beyond outrage.
54 posted on 07/24/2005 7:27:34 AM PDT by DaGman
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To: NicknamedBob
Scratch a neocon and find a snarling Trotskite.

"Business" is a pretty far-fetched term to use for this overweening monument to science fantasy. The fasces symbolize the policy much more aptly: it has all the economic use of the Pyramid of Giza, the national security potential of the Great Wall of China, the administrative transparency of the Versailles Hall of Mirrors, the humanitarian respect for safe work conditions of the Altar of Teotihuacan, the careful grounding in scientific theory of Stonehenge, and the tastefulness of Il Duce's New Rome.

It is a shame our Congress feels so obliged to play to this special interest that they must Board the Wittfogel Express with a nod to a project that makes past excesses of Oriental Despotism seem...But there I go again. By this time I have at least learned not to use difficult allusions to a constituency whose grounding in governmental theory comes from " Revenge of the Sith"

55 posted on 07/24/2005 8:46:19 AM PDT by Our_Man_In_Gough_Island
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To: DaGman
What a colossal waste of money. This is beyond outrage.

We're going to feel a real sense of pride when we look up at the moon and it is Red Chinese, and when everything west of the Mississippi is Red Chinese, and everything east of the Mississippi is Moslem. At least we won't be outraged that we didn't keep our tech advantage up to date.

56 posted on 07/24/2005 9:43:33 AM PDT by RightWhale (Substance is essentially the relationship of accidents to itself)
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To: RightWhale

And don't let the Mexicans beat us to inventing an anti-gravity machine. Write that check out to NASA now.


57 posted on 07/24/2005 10:06:09 AM PDT by Our_Man_In_Gough_Island
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To: RadioAstronomer
I have one. :-)

Now why does that not surprise me?

58 posted on 07/24/2005 10:12:59 AM PDT by FOG724
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To: Our_Man_In_Gough_Island; RightWhale; RadioAstronomer
"Scratch a neocon and find a snarling Trotskite."

Somebody scratched you? I'm so sorry. No wonder you're in such a mood.

Or maybe I'm just confused. I should perhaps go back to my comic book on government theory and re-read it.

But I am glad that you approve of the mission. The Great Wall of China did have an impressive security function for a very long time, and the Priests of Teotihuacan never had an on-the-job injury!

59 posted on 07/24/2005 10:51:50 AM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: RadioAstronomer; NicknamedBob
I have one. :-)

Dang, Bob, you snooze you lose.

60 posted on 07/24/2005 3:03:02 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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