Smoke seen in London Train Station.( Explosions reported)

[ConservativeMan55]

Per foxnews

[E Rocc]

"Should Eric Rudolph's family be sterilized? Tim McVeigh's? How about Kacyznski's? "

Yes, why is that a problem?

Well, the "innocent until proven guilty thing" comes into play. Plus, in Kacyzski's case his brother helped catch him.

-Eric

[null and void]

Thanks. Makes sense. Dammit.

[E Rocc]

Why do sign your name with every post ?

Some of us who have been here awhile do it more or less automatically. Also, it's habit from other forums.

-Eric

[Labyrinthos]

How true.

[freeperfromnj]

I think I saw him there this morning. Also, the former fruit vendor who disappeared several months ago is back and now has a newspaper stand.

[null and void]

OK. Thanks.

[Kelly_2000]

"Well, the "innocent until proven guilty thing" comes into play"

I was not suggesting bypassing the criminal justice process, anyone convicted of terrorism would be a candidate.

"Plus, in Kacyzski's case his brother helped catch him. "

Are you suggesting the punishment of an innocent man? why would that be promoted?

[Selkie]

Bet Bloomberg's been waiting for an excuse to violate the Fourth Amendment, and they will find a lot more drugs or even :gasp: cigarettes than anything else.

-Eric >>>>>>

Typical libertarian bunk, you're more preoccupied with drugs being found then people's lives being saved.

ROFL

[E Rocc]

Explosives detection relies on swab sample analysis (which means physical searching) not a magic "walk through the arch and we somehow we can detect ANY explosive machine" they only exist in science fiction films.

We're not talking about trace amounts here. We're talking about enough to make a bomb.

-Eric

[null and void]

Both ideal jobs for people passing messages between agents.

[TAquinas]

"True enough. But, unlike Catholicism, and especially in the 17-18th centuries, Protestant churches (especially the Calvinist traditions) did not consider those who were not actual church members as "Christians" other than in a particularly cultural sense."

I take it then, from the first sentence above, that you agree also that is not for others to decide whether one is a Christian or not, but for the indiviual himself/herself.

If not. Would you say this is also the case for, say, a person's race - ie, for the person himself to decide which race he/she is and not for others. I say, again, that it's up to the individual to decide.

And thanks for your intelligent responses. Much appreciated.

[Selkie]

It wasn't a serious question

Can't you tell when someone's just messing with you for sport ?

LOL

[E Rocc]

Typical libertarian bunk, you're more preoccupied with drugs being found then people's lives being saved.

Naw, I just think I see the real reason for this, and I'm not willing to give up essential liberties to purchase temporary safety....especially when I doubt that any improvement in safety will result.

-Eric

[Quilla]

Remind me to never play Jeopardy with you. ;-)

[Kelly_2000]

"We're not talking about trace amounts here. We're talking about enough to make a bomb. "

It doesn't matter a device that allows people to shuffle through an arch that looks for semtex, C4, nitro, chemical or incendiary bombs, biological etc does not exist.

[Selkie]

So what's the "real" reason ?
Do tell.

[PigRigger]

"The ironic thing is the likes of Al Qaeda wish they were right. Indeed, bin Laden would be overjoyed if Mecca got nuked. It would be infinitely more valuable to him as a martyr-city, and of course the Saudi government would immediately fall to...quess who?...."

I believe you are correct.

The preferred reason as to why we won't nuke Mecca is quite simple. Cutting off the West's oil supply would cause the world to fall into economic chaos. In many ways it is the same reason we have not militarily intervened in Iran.

The thought, as I presume, is to surround and isolate our more formidable enemies and promote discourse/change from within. This is why Iraq followed Afghanistan. Although Iran, Syria, and Saudi Arabia where clearer targets (regarding the WOT), attacking them directly may have done more harm than good in the short run.

However, if a nuke should go off in the US, overwhelming force might be employed, but not at the risk of losing the Wests oil supply. Only a country that holds very little in the way of economic impact will be a candidate for annihilation.

We may very well come to blows in Iran and Saudi Arabia, but that will be the last option, when we know all other options serve no purpose.

Yeah, this is tough to swallow. However, people should think about this. What would the world be like if OBL and his cohorts controlled the oil fields (please, no one,tell me they do, because they don't - things would be far different today if they did), what would the world be like if the areas where the oil came from was unusable due to radiation.

IMHO

[null and void]

I'm open to the posibility of other games...

[crazycat]

It was on BBC radio. 6 pm news

[elc]

Are you suggesting the punishment of an innocent man? why would that be promoted?

You did say forced sterlization of militants and their families.