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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 8
Various News Outlets | 7/19/05

Posted on 07/19/2005 10:21:13 AM PDT by TexKat



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: aruba; equusearch; joran; kalpoes; natalee; nataleeholloway; vandersloots
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Nancy Grace:

Susan Candiotti: FBI had a private meeting with Beth. FBI Mr. Muller offered his best wishes to the Twittys and Holloways.

Today the Aruban PM and the Aruban AG had a meeting with Beth.

Nancy is consistently asking questions that Beth and Susan Candiotti cannot answer.

Susan Candiotti stated that the FBI are sitting in on more and more meetings however the most important time (those first 10 days)has already passed.

741 posted on 07/20/2005 5:23:13 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: WestCoastGal

Aruba Today has an article that says 12 inches.

http://www.arubatoday.com/week/tuesday/tuesday19-07-2005.pdf


742 posted on 07/20/2005 5:25:31 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: WestCoastGal
Reported by Nancy, the hair was 12" long. Last night on Greta they said 6". I guess the media are getting their info from various sources, not always accurate.

Thats because Nancy wants it to be 12" long because thats what was on the AP wire Nancy received Monday.

743 posted on 07/20/2005 5:25:31 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

TCP is usually "transmission control protocol"...and what does that mean to me...not much. Over my head.


744 posted on 07/20/2005 5:28:07 PM PDT by Dark Skies ("I did not say that...I am not here.")
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

From the caption on the pic of the fire this is all I got from that translation site:

algo first cu 9’or, holor of smoke owing to cuminza plama in area of marriott’s aruba surf club. after yamadanan owing to cuminza enter mustrando cu have candela big in the edificio of the phase 2 of the proyecto here.


745 posted on 07/20/2005 5:29:09 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
Caption of the picture with Jossy Mansur

sir jossy mansur is show at word simple: neither police neither prensa can worde culpa for her incidente cause for junior arends

746 posted on 07/20/2005 5:29:22 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

I think that is why Papiamento is good for Aruba and its crimes. It is a native dialect that outsiders just can't understand. Island insularity is protected by the sea and by silence and by language.


747 posted on 07/20/2005 5:30:46 PM PDT by Dark Skies ("I did not say that...I am not here.")
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To: Dark Skies

Sounds about right.

BOR is going to talk about a "workable theory" in the case. Commercial now.


748 posted on 07/20/2005 5:34:11 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

This is what translated from the pic of "Boca Turtle" or whatever they call it.

mouth turtuga is one mouth very conoci for autoridadnan if see cu here is deal of one mouth where in pasado till even drugs owing to spula arrive ground or narcotraficantenan owing to enter lever ground cu drugs.


749 posted on 07/20/2005 5:37:10 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: Andy'smom; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; maggiefluffs; No Surrender No Retreat; grizzfan; ...
Nancy Grace: Beth gave a blood sample to the Aruban side and to the US side. Nancy states she cannot understand why ALE did not get a blood sample from the suspects.

Nuclear dna test if the hair strands have the roots will take approximately 72 hours. Candiotti states that the US testing should begin tomorrow morning.

Another guest on NG stated that microscopic testing will be done first, if it is not a match no other testing will be performed.

750 posted on 07/20/2005 5:37:43 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

"culpa" caught my eye, as I am sure it means "guilty" or at least responsible.


751 posted on 07/20/2005 5:39:03 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
"culpa" caught my eye, as I am sure it means "guilty" or at least responsible.

That was my thought also Vn_survivor_67-68. However it mentions Arends. I don't think that it has anything to do with Natalee's case.

752 posted on 07/20/2005 5:43:06 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

why was this Majeski cat even on O'Reilly? Is O'Reilly about to do a swiftboat turn on this case?


753 posted on 07/20/2005 5:47:34 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

I don't know, but that "workable theory" was nothing that hasn't been suggested on umpteen blogs/message boards.


754 posted on 07/20/2005 5:49:08 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

I honestly believe that how every thing went down is just as "simple" as this guy on BOR made it out to be. The problem is LE has screwed this case up so bad either due to not having enough experience or due to them trying to protect the VDS's or combo of both (which is more likely).

She probably died from a drug overdose that they slip in her drink or Joran simple over powered her and killed her with his bare hands. It is very possible in my mind that she was temporarly hidden on the beach and that PVDS came to pick him up and helped him clean up Joran's mess. I still believe that her remains are on the island and I do believe that one of them (most likely Joran) semi confessed to killing her but he retracted and Aruba LE is not pushing enough to squeeze the truth out of JVDS or the Kalpoe brothers.

Like the guy said on BOR there are many caves on the shore that are underwater and if she was dumped in the water she would have washed up and possibly into one of these deep underwater caves.

Or she is simply buried on the island in somewhere like an old cistern or well or possibly even in the old well/cistern on the VDS property, as cadaver trained dogs were never used on the VDS property. Nobody in Aruba LE is pushing hard enough to get a new warrant to allow cadaver dogs on the VDS property.


755 posted on 07/20/2005 6:10:37 PM PDT by countryconservative (<<<<< original FR start date 9/21/01 <<<<<)
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To: TexKat

Rough translations:

Jossy is happy because neither the police nor the press are guilty in the incident caused by Junior Arends.

and...

At around 9 o'clock a fire started in the area of Marriott's Aruba Surf Club. It is suspected that it was started by a big candle near the building of Phase Two of the project there.

(Don't quote me on this!)


756 posted on 07/20/2005 6:12:47 PM PDT by Palladin (America! America! God shed His grace on Thee.)
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To: Yaelle

I believe th D.C. Police and the Aruban Police have much in common. CIS, "can't investigate sheeit." I would love to see Condit go down for the count in Chandra's murder.

One thing I noticed, Chandra's parent's did not seem to be so emotionally upset. Possibly, it could have been denial in play.

Anyway Natalee&Chandra both deserve justice for their demises. NSNR


757 posted on 07/20/2005 6:12:49 PM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: truthluva

This was posted at RW:

"Update Aruba
I've been informed the Park Rangers found more Duct Tape on the North-East Shore near Turtle Cove. The tape is said to hold small amounts of red fabric on its surface. Word is it will be reported on Greta this evening."


758 posted on 07/20/2005 6:17:45 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: truthluva


mouth turtuga is one mouth very conoci for autoridadnan if see cu here is deal of one mouth where in pasado till even drugs owing to spula arrive ground or narcotraficantenan owing to enter lever ground cu drugs.



Translation: Boca Tortuga is an inlet known by authorities as a spot for drug trafficking...etc.


759 posted on 07/20/2005 6:18:14 PM PDT by Palladin (America! America! God shed His grace on Thee.)
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To: Palladin

WOW. That sounds pretty good. How'd you do that?


760 posted on 07/20/2005 6:18:45 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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