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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 8
Various News Outlets | 7/19/05

Posted on 07/19/2005 10:21:13 AM PDT by TexKat



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: aruba; equusearch; joran; kalpoes; natalee; nataleeholloway; vandersloots
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To: truthluva; upstatenyrepublican
The investigator that Beth hired on the 20th is a specialist in Layered Voice Analysis. LVA can be vy effective in the hands of an experienced analyst. Ward is apparently the best. Here is link to his website:

T.J.Ward's website

1,541 posted on 07/23/2005 12:53:21 PM PDT by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: maggief
A few other points - It appears that Natalee is on the stage, not on the bar - given the configuration of the club. Also, if it is Natalee by the door - and I am waiting until I have the hi res photos to address that, assuming they come - then I hope to determine if it is the same individual looking at her by the door, as the fellow looking up at the stage in the picture at link above.

I do not believe either individual is Joran v d Sloot.


Lee Broughton almost certainly could provide answers to both questions.
1,542 posted on 07/23/2005 1:31:07 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: TAquinas

3rd &, IMO, most likely, scenario: Rosa Palmer is a ding-a-ling.


1,543 posted on 07/23/2005 2:04:16 PM PDT by elli1
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To: Dark Skies
No I'm quite sure that Kerry won that voting bloc. They heard about his tour of 'Nam...a story that is out of this world.
1,544 posted on 07/23/2005 2:18:27 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: cajungirl

Just poked my head back in to see how things were going....yes, I agree that the woman prosecutor seemed to have had a great deal to say in the two weeks before she left, only nothing seemed to make sense. She'd contradict herself. Then when she suddenly left, they said she'd planned the vacation back to Holland, but was retiring right after that. They couldn't even lie competently. Clearly, she was being replaced. And now we hear some Aruban LE officer has been sent to Quantico to get some in depth instruction on forensics or maybe interview techniques...and FBI profilers are now helping out. I wonder who the new witness is.


1,545 posted on 07/23/2005 2:32:19 PM PDT by hershey
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To: Lizarde

No, I heard that too, that Joran's lawyer and the Kalpoe's lawyer/s were very upset and trying to stop FBI help. The whole thing stinks to high heaven, and since plea bargaining isn't allowed, they'll have to find a way to turn one of them against the others.


1,546 posted on 07/23/2005 2:34:34 PM PDT by hershey
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To: TexKat

[The source revealed: "Paulus told the headmaster that Joran and Natalee had been taking drugs and decided to go for a swim. As they played in and around the water, Natalee fell, hit her head on a rock and drowned. In a drug and alcohol-induced panic, Joran felt he had no other choice but to dispose of Natalee's body in the sea."]

The big question here is why hide te body if it was an accident? I'm sure he panicked, but "drug and alcohol-induced panic??? I don't know...are you going to risk going to jail for an accident? Would his father let him risk going to jail because of an accident? Would he go to school the next day and brag about being with someone that he knows died in an accident? Deepak threatened with going to jail lies about an accident to cover for his 'friend' even after that 'friend' tried to direct the investigation so that Deepak looked guilty of something? All this time in jail and Paulus is supposedly telling all these people about the accident, but not telling the police? I don't know...I'll have to chew on this a little. Sounds more like people trying to make excuses for Joran.


1,547 posted on 07/23/2005 2:34:54 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: TAquinas

I think Palmer may just have passed along street rumor from old acquaintances in Aruba and tried to sound like she know more than she did by saying it came from PVDS. But I could be wrong.


1,548 posted on 07/23/2005 2:40:15 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: sarasota

I wasn't keen on the home videos, either, but the dance troup seems to be a big deal with kids at that school. They're more or less cheerleaders, without the throws and gymnastics that sometimes end up with broken ankles...plus they get to wear spangly outfits. At least they aren't as skimpy as some of the cheerleader outfits. They looked fairly conservative, except for the sparkle -- like a drum and bugle corp drill team without instruments...just flags.


1,549 posted on 07/23/2005 2:43:38 PM PDT by hershey
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To: sarasota

I wasn't keen on the home videos, either, but the dance troup seems to be a big deal with kids at that school. They're more or less cheerleaders, without the throws and gymnastics that sometimes end up with broken ankles...plus they get to wear spangly outfits. At least they aren't as skimpy as some of the cheerleader outfits. They looked fairly conservative, except for the sparkle.


1,550 posted on 07/23/2005 2:44:06 PM PDT by hershey
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To: TexKat

This statement is ludicrous, that papa VDS would even confess such a thing to the school makes no sense, let alone that he'd think people would accept that Joran 'felt he had no choice but to dispose of her body in the sea'. On the other hand, that original statement (pack of lies), J and the K bros. made was full of hot air about what a gent J was and what a slut N was and they expected everyone to believe that without question. It got them released, too. I'm still hoping the two guards will sue somebody's pants off.


1,551 posted on 07/23/2005 2:50:23 PM PDT by hershey
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To: cajungirl

I worried about FBI involvement compromising the case, but if Aruban LE get lessons in what to do, everything from collecting evidence to interview techniques, and they do it, themselves...just coached by the FBI, that would hardly be unfair. You know the lawyers would appeal anyway. They need to turn one against the others. Perhaps that's the witness they're talking about, especially if say, the Kalpoes' mom (who doesn't look as if she's rich), could claim at least part of the 100K reward on the basis of what her sons have told her.


1,552 posted on 07/23/2005 2:56:51 PM PDT by hershey
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Sounds about right to me, too.


1,553 posted on 07/23/2005 2:57:59 PM PDT by hershey
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To: All

Tim Miller to return to Aruba.

This is from SM's Front Page. Good article.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1316


1,554 posted on 07/23/2005 2:58:34 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: hershey

Sorry about the double post. Trying to eat pizza and type at the same time. OOps.


1,555 posted on 07/23/2005 3:00:57 PM PDT by hershey
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To: hershey

The lies being put out are designed to fill peoples heads with the idea that it was an accident. Tells me it was a murder.


1,556 posted on 07/23/2005 3:28:19 PM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: TexKat
This is for any of you who live in Nevada, or any of the surrounding states or areas where this kidnapped 8-year old girl may be now.

Amber Alert - Missing Girl 8 years old, Nevada

Amber Alert

BULLETIN

AMBER Alert Issued for Lydia Bethany-Rose Rupp

Last Updated: Saturday, July 23, 2005 12:05 p.m

11:00am Aguerro has several aliases: Ayala, Gonzales, Pons, or Vega10:00am Vehicle is a 2001 Kia Rio, 4 door sedan. Bluish/gray—they don’t know what shade of blue

4:18 am.LYON COUNTY - This is a STATEWIDE activation! And activations have been requested in California and Arizona. They think the suspect may have been headed to Sacramento, Las Vegas or San Diego.

Lydia Bethany-Rose Rupp, 8 years old, 4 feet, 9 inches tall, 85 pounds, brown hair, brown eyes, complexion:fair, Race

Victim's mother met suspect at church function in April 2005. Suspect moved into residence as boyfriend/room mate.

On Friday 07/22/05 at around 0530 hrs suspect took victim's mother to work at Scolari's in Fernley, Nevada. At around 1200 hrs suspect called and told mother that he was unable to pick her up.

Mother returned home at around 1500 hrs to find suspect, daughter, and brown cocker spaniel dog missing along with victim and suspect's clothing. Mother attempted to locate daughter and suspect until around 2330 hrs when she called the Lyon County Sheriff's Office.

SUSPECT: AGUERRO, FERNANDO P. (AKA GONZALES, FERNANDO) 10:00am Aguerro has several aliases: Ayala, Gonzales, Pons, or Vega

Hispanic male - adult 6'1" 175 lbs - black/gray - brown eyes - mustache - slim build - approx 48 years old -unknown DOB - partial birth date Feb 2 - unk year

Suspect has a past—more than 10 years ago—history as a sex offender. Convicted in LA for Lewd and Lascivious behavior, served time and was released. He was supposed to register but don’t know if he was registered in Lyon County.

Suspect was in possession of all victim and mother's identification ie: birth certificate, SS card, etc.

Suspect took all photographs of victim from the residence. Mother had very little personal infomation on suspect. Mother and suspect had been arguing about the attention suspect was paying towards the vicitm and moving to San Diego, California.

VEHICLE: 11:00am Vehicle is a 2001 Kia Rio, 4 door sedan. Bluish/gray—they don’t know what shade of blue - no plates - may be traveling with a brown cocker spanial dog - unknown direction of travel - suspect has relatives/friends in Las Vegas - and San Diego

There was a possible sighting of the suspect last night in Reno at an auto parts store where someone matching his description bought a car battery.

Last seen noon Friday.

I hope all the stops are pulled to try find this girl as was done for Natalee. If I do not see that happening I will really question why the media and the authorities picked one child to spotlight over another. This child is most likely suffering at this very moment!

It will be a big test to see if Greta and FOX and all those who have jumped on the wagon to find Natalee have the same empathy for a poor little 8 year old girl who is known to be in the hands of a SEX OFFENDER at this VERY MOMENT and maybe being molested even as we speak!!!! Immediate attention and action just might prevent her suffering - or worse in the hands of the likes of a John Couey. She needs to be found NOW so we won't have to wonder afterwards ---"what happened???"

If you live in or near any of the areas where this perp might be or have taken this girl...or if you know anyone there, please alert them to be on the lookout and call this number: Lion County Sheriff's office at 775-575-3383. Here is her picture:

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1,557 posted on 07/23/2005 3:40:11 PM PDT by CitizenM ("An excuse is worse than an lie, because an excuse is a lie hidden." Pope John Paul, II)
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To: hershey
I worried about FBI involvement compromising the case, but if Aruban LE get lessons in what to do, everything from collecting evidence to interview techniques

I watched a former FBI agent comment (on Fox, I think) about the FBI involvement at this point and he said that the trail would be completely cold or trampled at this point. He thought there was little the FBI could do on this case (except for what they are doing in the forensics lab with the duct tape).

He compared Aruban LE qualifications for a case like this to what might be the available in most small towns in the U.S.

1,558 posted on 07/23/2005 3:40:25 PM PDT by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Thanks!


1,559 posted on 07/23/2005 3:42:08 PM PDT by hummingbird ("The world needs more Steel Magnolias like Beth Holloway.")
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To: CitizenM
I am glad you posted this. I pray to G-d this girl is found safe. I don't appreciate that we need to get passionate over which girl gets more attention. That helps neither girl. I am sure everyone in the world would want as much word out there as possible about a tiny 8-yr-old alone with a sex offender at this point, but things don't always happen perfectly.

I believe the Amber alerts save lives. But I do get scared that the perp might decide to do something horrible if he knows he is broadcast all over the place...

1,560 posted on 07/23/2005 4:17:35 PM PDT by Yaelle
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