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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 8
Various News Outlets | 7/19/05

Posted on 07/19/2005 10:21:13 AM PDT by TexKat



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: aruba; equusearch; joran; kalpoes; natalee; nataleeholloway; vandersloots
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

I can try, but I'll warn you, I know nothing about photo editing. I'll go play with it some and see what happens.


1,241 posted on 07/22/2005 12:15:12 PM PDT by girlscout
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To: girlscout

again that is another one of those Batik tops.


1,242 posted on 07/22/2005 12:20:21 PM PDT by countryconservative (<<<<< original FR start date 9/21/01 <<<<<)
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To: looois

Just a thought.

Wonder if Joran's size might limit his wardrobe and choices of shoes and clothing?

Couldn't be too many shops on Aruba that carry his size. Maybe Anita goes to Holland to shop for him.

My son is almost 6' 3" and in his teen years it was a challenge to find large sizes that might be somewhat stylish for teenagers.

Sometimes he had to wear whatever was available, especially when he was in a growing spurt.


1,243 posted on 07/22/2005 12:23:41 PM PDT by Lucy Lake
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To: grizzfan

I think it's a combination of that and kids (especially guys.. laugh..) seem to get attached to one shirt or outfit.. at least my son's do. It makes it especially so when they have to wear "Big Men" sizes...


1,244 posted on 07/22/2005 12:28:33 PM PDT by pamlet
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To: maggief

Thanks for the shot of the bar on another night - it helps put this shot in perspective... I can even read the "beer" and the two prices on your photo and see it (even though blurred) in the photo with Natalie. It is certain she is on that stage the person taking the photo is an angle from the right side of the stage - it is clear if you compare the wording on the sign....


1,245 posted on 07/22/2005 12:41:58 PM PDT by Momto2
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To: maggief

Thanks maggief.


1,246 posted on 07/22/2005 12:44:50 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Momto2

I have to disagree.. if you look at the second photo.. there's a big "order here" sign that she would be standing in front of... if she was on the stage we'd see the "order here" sign and not the menu.


1,247 posted on 07/22/2005 12:44:51 PM PDT by pamlet
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To: pamlet

I agree. I think she is on the corner of the bar.


1,248 posted on 07/22/2005 12:46:00 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: TexKat
With an enhanced view of the photo... the "G" appears as a "C" with perhaps a sun or star in the center... beneath the "VCB" logo one could make the argument the for stylized "M" in the Marriott logos. The "VCB" font on the shirt is very close to the Marriott Vacation Club logo font.

Could "VCB" = "Vacation Club Beach" Marriott????

Just so happens to be two Marriott Vacation Clubs in Aruba...

While I realize the local news in Aruba and then the AP reported the shirt was a "logo of a security company", but I could not find a security company with those initials.

Aruba Security

1,249 posted on 07/22/2005 12:47:07 PM PDT by Big Jake
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To: TexKat

Is that Frances Ellen with the pink headband?


1,250 posted on 07/22/2005 12:47:27 PM PDT by Palladin (America! America! God shed His grace on Thee.)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
Image hosted by Photobucket.com

This is the best that I can do. Perhaps someone who knows a little more about photo editing can do a clearer picture.

1,251 posted on 07/22/2005 12:52:55 PM PDT by girlscout
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To: Andy'smom; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; maggief; Fritzy; truthluva; No Surrender No Retreat; grizzfan; ..
Ala. lawmakers ask residents not to travel to Aruba

The Associated Press MONTGOMERY, Ala. — The Alabama House passed a resolution today asking Alabama residents to boycott travel to Aruba, where a teenager has been missing for more than seven weeks.

The resolution expresses concern that no one has been charged in the disappearance of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway of Mountain Brook, Ala.,

Holloway, who attended junior high school in Clinton, Miss., and whose father lives in Meridian, Miss., disappeared May 30. Her disappearance came hours before she was to catch a return flight to Alabama at the end of a high school graduation trip to the Dutch Caribbean island.

Since Holloway's disappearance, authorities in Aruba have detained seven people in the case, but only Joran van der Sloot, the 17-year-old son of a judge in training, remains in custody. Holloway was last seen in public leaving a nightclub with van der Sloot.

The resolution was sponsored by Rep. Leslie Vance, D-Phenix City, who said he hopes the threat of losing tourist dollars will encourage officials in Aruba to speed up the investigation.

"This is a way to say to the authorities down there that you have to get serious about this," Vance said.

Rep. Jim Carns, R-Mountain Brook, whose district includes Holloway's residence, said he supports the resolution.

"I think we need to do something to get their attention," Carns said. "One of our citizens went their as a tourist and apparently something terrible happened."

The resolution is not a law. Vance said it is just a recommendation asking Alabama tourists to avoid Aruba until the Holloway case is resolved.

1,252 posted on 07/22/2005 12:56:10 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: pamlet
It the angle of the shot...

Whoever took it was out in front of the stage and about center. She looks to be standing on the left front corner of the stage which sticks out from the bar. Imagine being the guy in the yellow shirt (from the picture below) but farther back from the stage and taking the picture from your left side. (twisting your body to the left) - (from this picture) They are leaning on the stage and not the bar (the guy in the white striped shirt) - the bar is beyond them.
http://image14.webshots.com/14/2/40/3/174824003lzRipp_ph.jpg

1,253 posted on 07/22/2005 12:56:47 PM PDT by countryconservative (<<<<< original FR start date 9/21/01 <<<<<)
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To: girlscout
Much better girlscout one can now even see where the white color of the top picks up.


1,254 posted on 07/22/2005 12:59:36 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: All

The tables (green topped) are stand at tables and they are probably pulled up to the walls when the place is packed.
There no doubt that she is on the stange and is standing towards the front left corner of the stage and the guy in the white shirt with stripes is leaning on the stage and not the bar that is to his left.

The angle of the picture is what makes it look like she is standing on the bar and not the stage.


1,255 posted on 07/22/2005 1:03:48 PM PDT by countryconservative (<<<<< original FR start date 9/21/01 <<<<<)
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bttt


1,256 posted on 07/22/2005 1:07:44 PM PDT by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Froufrou; Dark Skies

Macallan 18 year is the way to go, imho.

Mmmmm


1,257 posted on 07/22/2005 1:11:30 PM PDT by Voir Dire (Modern liberalism is a Communist plot)
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To: Andy'smom; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; maggief; Fritzy; truthluva; No Surrender No Retreat; grizzfan; ..
Uh oh, is the long arm of Aruba's corruption reaching the shore of North Carolina? National Enquiring minds want to know!!!

Remember the Natinal Enquirer story last week!

N.C. clerk says she talked to FBI about teen missing in Aruba

July 22, 2005

By Paul Nowell The Associated Press

PINEVILLE, N.C. — A North Carolina woman who lived in Aruba and knows the family of a Dutch youth held in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway says she has spoken with the FBI about case of the missing former Mississippi teen.

Rosa Palmer, a native of Cuba, said she owned a clothing store in Aruba with her husband for about 14 years before they sold it last year and moved to the Charlotte area. She now works at a small boutique in a suburban shopping mall.

Palmer said she was questioned about the case by the FBI but knows nothing about Holloway's disappearance. Her claim runs counter to that of a South Carolina man who said he contacted the FBI after Palmer told him details about Holloway's disappearance — including claims the teen died after accidentally falling and hitting her head on a rock while intoxicated.

Interviewed by The Associated Press late Thursday, Palmer said her son had been a school friend of Joran van der Sloot, who is jailed in the case, and she said has known parents Paul and Anita van der Sloot for years. But she said she knows nothing about what happened to Holloway.

"I haven't seen them (the van der Sloots) since 2001," she said, adding that she also has not spoken with the family since then.

Palmer would not discuss her conversation with an FBI agent who telephoned her to talk about the van der Sloot family. "I gave the FBI my home phone number and even my cell number," she said, adding that she has not heard back from the agency since that conversation.

An FBI spokesman in Birmingham, Ala., did not return a call seeking comment on Palmer's involvement.

Jim Dooley, a personnel recruiter from Charleston, S.C., told the AP he referred the FBI's Birmingham office to Palmer after she shared with him details of the case she said came from Paul van der Sloot during a phone conversation shortly after Joran van der Sloot's arrest.

Dooley said he struck up a conversation with Palmer while his wife tried on clothes in the store where Palmer works. He said Palmer quoted Paul van der Sloot as saying Holloway died after falling and hitting her head on a rock at an Aruban beach.

Dooley, whose claims were first reported by a supermarket tabloid, The National Enquirer, said Palmer did not say anything about what was done with Holloway's body.

Interviewed by the AP, Palmer denied speaking with Dooley; he said her claim was "obviously" untrue, since she was able to give the FBI details about Palmer, including the fact she had lived in Aruba.

"How would I know what I know without talking to her?" he said today.

Palmer said she believes officials at the International School of Aruba, which her son attended with Joran van der Sloot, know more than they have said.

Speaking fondly of Anita van der Sloot, Palmer said it was "surreal" to watch news accounts involving a family she knew in Aruba.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Associated Press reporter Jay Reeves in Birmingham, Ala., contributed to this report.

1,258 posted on 07/22/2005 1:11:49 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: countryconservative


If the picture does not pop up you can see it here...http://tccc.allhyper.com/barlayout.jpg
1,259 posted on 07/22/2005 1:14:39 PM PDT by countryconservative (<<<<< original FR start date 9/21/01 <<<<<)
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To: countryconservative

Is her tall blond friend from the beach pic is right in front of her on the floor?


1,260 posted on 07/22/2005 1:15:06 PM PDT by Big Jake
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