[spunkets]

"Gee I guess that's why when a friend's 6 year old had open heart surgery, her pastor refused to put him on a public prayer list. He must have not had any sin because he was afflicted. Thanks for clearing that up, I'll pass it along.

At the time the minister told her he couldn't put the child's name on the congregation's list because he was unsaved. "

You must have misread, since you misunderstood it. A pastor that doesn't pray for someone is ignorant. If they don't pray for a kid and their family, they are wackjobs. To say the kid is unsaved also is worse.

"He must have not had any sin because he was afflicted."

Makes no sense whatsoever.

[Jaded]

The doctrine of original sin. Where does it arise from? The Jews didn't believe in it. It denies Free will. There's no history of it being doctrinal truth prior to Augustine. God speaks in John 9 regarding the matter at length, but does not acknowledge it, not in the least.

Neither did yours. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. ALL HAVE SINNED. What you were saying was 'not all'. Original sin is about being born with a sin nature. If we are not born with original sin then we don't need a Saviour. Right? How does original sin deny free will?