Bias against Southerners misses the mark

Pasco Times ^ | July 11, 2005 | RICHARD COX

[Non-Sequitur]

'It has already been observed, that the constitution of the United States guarantees to each state a republican form of government; that the powers not delegated to the United States, are reserved to the states respectively without entering into a detail of the rights reserved or not delegated, suffice it to say, that "the right of acquiring, possessing and protecting property is one.'

But the Constitution of the United States says that only Congress may dispose of federal property. So states cannot acquire federal property without congressional approval.

[Colonel Kangaroo]

Resolved, That, should the independence of the states, as secured by the constitution, be destroyed, the liberties of the people in so extensive a country cannot long survive. To suffer the United States' courts to decide on STATE RIGHTS will, from a bias in favor of power, necessarily destroy the FEDERAL PART of our Government.

What did the federal government do in 1860 to destroy the independence of the states?

In 1861 it waged war on a state to force it to remain in the union.

But there was no war in 1860 when the secession started. There was no destruction of the Constitution, no attack on the liberties of any state. Only an election result that some people didn't like. The 1809 proclamation from Pennsylvania did not apply in this case. The secession was merely a petulant political action totally unrelated to any injury to the Constitution.

[M. Espinola]

"But there was no war in 1860 when the secession started. There was no destruction of the Constitution, no attack on the liberties of any state. Only an election result that some people didn't like."

Very true.

The election of Carter for one agonizing term (America Held Hostage) and the Clinton's two scandal ridden terms inflicted enormous damage to this country, and yet there was not an attempt to create a civil war, as they was after the public decided the election of 1860.

[M. Espinola]

"NOBODY "chose" armed rebellion in dixie.(??????)

The Gong Show is now on!

[Fred Hayek]

Minnesota and Wisconsin....just a friendly as Southerners

Not when you get in the Twin Cities! But get far enough away from Ramsey and Hennepin Counties (extreme blue), and you are back to civilization.

[Fred Hayek]

Count me as a naturalized Texan. After 33 years in New Jersey, moved to Houston Texas and stayed for 12 years. The move was mostly due to looking to get out of the New York metro area (after travelling on business I decided that there were better places to live and work). Now I'm stuck here in the blue state Hell of Minnesota, but still call Texas home,

[bourbon]

I don't think bourbon got it.....far from "not trying to cover up their rudeness with a bunch of 'smooth-talking cr-p,'" that is exactly what they did...

Actually, if you'll look back at my post (#161), the "these guys" to whom I was referring were brusque Chicagoans who fancied the N-word, not the same guys Labyrinthos was talking about. I think that's pretty clear.

[TexConfederate1861]

Well, my numbers could be a tad inaccurate :)
I got the number from that old song: "I'm a good ole Rebel"

"three-hundred thousand Yankees lie dead in Southern dust, we got three-hundred thousand, before they conquered us, they died of Southern Fever, and Southern Steel & Shot, I wish it was three-million, instead of what we got!" :)

[TexConfederate1861]

Well, for one, Clinton or Carter's party didn't decide to destroy our way of life.......(at least not entirely)

Slaves were an expensive investment.

[TexConfederate1861]

Johnson you can have...what the HECK have you got against GW!!!!???

And by the way, that "joke is not EVEN funny.....:)

I saw a guy in the Navy get decked for that one......

[M. Espinola]

"Well, for one, Clinton or Carter's party didn't decide to destroy our way of life.......(at least not entirely)

Think back to those Carter years, 'not entirely', but pretty close. Then the Clinton's picked up where Carter left off.

"Slaves were an expensive investment."

I wonder how the slaves felt about that?

[TypeZoNegative]

I've found this to be the case with anybody who doesn't either have an Eastern accent or a Californian accent, you get discriminated against.

I have an upper Midwest twang and every time I go down to Florida (AKA Southern Brooklyn) I get discriminated against because of my accent.

[TexConfederate1861]

Probably liked it better than starving during Reconstruction....

[wardaddy]

I found folks in Minnetonka and Edina to be just fine...actually.

And upstate Wisconsin....even around Duluth...a lib hotbed I'm told.

[M. Espinola]

"Probably liked it better than starving during Reconstruction....

Reconstruction would have worked well if the ex-confederates would have allowed it and not reestablish the many years of a system very close to slavery under the animal like terrorism of the Klan & Jim Crow 'laws', not ending until forced.

The best option was leaving the South, as so many ended up doing.

[Non-Sequitur]

Reconstruction would have worked well if the ex-confederates would have allowed it and not reestablish the many years of a system very close to slavery under the animal like terrorism of the Klan & Jim Crow 'laws', not ending until forced.

Reconstruction wouldn't have happened at all if the ex-confederates had not tried to perpetuate slavery through the implementation of black codes.

[TexConfederate1861]

That is the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard!
The Radical Republicans under Thaddeus Stevens and Ben Wade wanted REVENGE, and would have done anything to get it. Texas and other states met the Lincoln-Johnson requirements for re-admission to the Union, and that wasn't good enough for the radicals. Radical Reconstruction was wrong, which is why Andrew Johnson vetoed much of it, and it almost cost him his job.

[Ditto]

Nice song. < / sarcasm >

[TexConfederate1861]

Really, it isn't. But it was written by a Confederate soldier who was very bitter.

[TexConfederate1861]

Here is the entire song:

Good Ole Rebel
By Major Innes Randolph, CSA


Oh, I'm a good old Rebel , now that's just what I am;
For this "Fair Land of Freedom" I do not give a damn!
I'm glad I fit against it, I only wish we'd won,
And I don't want no pardon for anything I done.

I hates the Constitution, this "Great Republic," too!
I hates the Freedman's Bureau and uniforms of blue!
I hates the nasty eagle with all its brags and fuss,
And the lying, thieving Yankees, I hates 'em wuss and wuss!

I hates the Yankee nation and everything they do,
I hates the Declaration of Independence, too!
I hates the "Glorious Union" -- 'tis dripping with our blood,
And I hates their striped banner, and I fit it all I could.

I followed old Marse Robert for four years, near about,
Got wounded in three places, and starved at Point Lookout.
I cotched the "roomatism" a'campin' in the snow,
But I killed a chance o' Yankees, and I'd like to kill some mo'!

Three hundred thousand Yankees is stiff in Southern dust!
We got three hundred thousand before they conquered us.
They died of Southern fever and Southern steel and shot,
But I wish we'd got three million instead of what we got.

I can't take up my musket and fight 'em now no more,
But I ain't a'gonna love 'em, now that's for sartain sure!
I do not want no pardon for what I was and am,
And I won't be reconstructed, and I do not care a damn!