Posted on 07/11/2005 12:53:39 PM PDT by rface
There is no longer any question that top presidential adviser Karl Rove is a key player in the Valerie Plame case.
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But let's look at what we can conclude from all this:
· The latest news reports indicate that Rove is the source who Cooper was trying to protect until last week -- and that Rove tipped Cooper about Plame three days before Robert Novak published his now-famous column exposing Plame's identity.
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· Rove and his lawyer's denials that he was involved in telling reporters about Plame now appear to be at best based on Clintonian hairsplitting about whether he literally used her name and identified her as covert or he simply described her as the CIA-employed wife of Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, the administration critic that White House was eager to discredit at the time.
· President Bush and press secretary Scott McClellan's denials that Rove was involved in the Plame matter now appear to be at best based on the position that their responses to broad questions about Rove and Plame were met with narrowly constructed responses specifically about whether Rove leaked "classified information." Or is it possible Rove lied to them?
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If Karl Rove, Bush's top political strategist, longtime friend and deputy chief of staff is actually indicted by Fitzgerald -- which now appears to be a possibility -- it would be an enormous blow to Bush's second term. Until Fitzgerald wraps up his highly secretive investigation, however, that's all just speculation.
So let's ask ourselves some more practical questions instead:
· Does Rove's current position pass the smell test?
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You are wrong.
Correct...all we have so far is an email.
I got one from the Atty General of Nigeria just the other day.
Said he had some money.......
The average voter on the street has no clue who Rove is. Unfortunate but true.
You need to stop your knee jerk reaction my fellow freeper. President Bush testifying in this?! Give me a break.
I think my theory then was that someone in the Administration chain of command used a leak to play hardball - to discredit Wilson. Amidst people predicting the incident was meaningless and would soon blow over, I thought it had the makings to be kept alive as a "scandal" for a long time.
The components of the case lend themselves to the typical Democrat-water-carrying MSM distortion. Like the way they portray the GOP aide who found Democrat memos as having been in effect hacking their computers.
Really. How's that? The available information says that Rove was *a* source - and nowhere is it said that there weren't others. So how does that make him a "key player?"
"The latest news reports indicate that Rove is the source who Cooper was trying to protect until last week -- and that Rove tipped Cooper about Plame three days before Robert Novak published his now-famous column exposing Plame's identity."
No. The latest news reports indicate that Rove was *a* source. The latest reports do not "indicate that he was *the* source for anything. And the "latest reports" have absolutely nothing to say about whether or not Rove mentioned Plame's name, or for that matter if he even knew her name.
So, I guess we're left with the usual exaggerated nonsense from the Leftists in the news media.
I cannot imagine what you think is signicant, but I do note that this is your very first day on FR.
Do enlighten us.
Nothing really new in this story. It's a re-hash.
It's not that bad. Rove didn't lay it all out for the Time, Inc. reporter, Cooper.
That's why his lawyer can say he didn't knowingly disclose any confidential information. Cooper may have already had the information when he interviewed Rove.
Of course, Lawrence O'Donnell will tell us it's all true and Rove is a scumbag to top it off and it's a major scoop for Lawrence O'Donnell. Apparently he is privy to the e-mails Cooper sent to his bosses that have been handed over to the grand jury. (I really doubt that. He just hates Rove.)
They dont have a thing. Read the email, if any thing, Rove is warning Cooper off. The left wanted a scandal, and they got it. Except just like all the other manufactured scandals, its backfiring on them.
The only outing was of Joe Wilson as a smarmy little prick....
Hey, he was sentenced on the 8th, wasnt he?
The fact that a reporter is going jail makes me positive that it is not Rove. He would never allow that to happen, he is the ultimate opposite of Clinton and Co.
A better question is does the media's position pass the smell test? Cooper spent the last 1-1/2 years resisting the production of these notes, and now he suddenly produces them to avoid jail, explaining that his "confidential" source did not object, and in fact, wanted him to disclose them.
Miller's source is obviously not Rove. She knows that Rove was Cooper's source, and that Rove gave him permission to disclose the notes. If she's going to jail to protect Rove's identity, then she is a bigger fool than I thought... And that is a pretty big fool!
Hate to say it, but my guess is Rove will resign in the next day or so.
I think we need a troll alert here!
The Rove threads are attracting a lot of trolls in the last few weeks. The left are having yet another fake orgasm, number “1,875,603”, about a scandal that in their insane delusional mind will destroy the Bush Presidency. That is why the Dummies are coming on these threads to post their stupid delusional stuff. Like the many fake orgasms and early fake victories that the left have hallucinated about in the last 4 ½ years against President Bush, his administration, and his policies, this Rove/Plame no story will all end up crushed under the bitter weight of reality. And as usual the liberals will suffer another devastating defeat.
i suppose i'm the troll. i'm new at this. what does this mean?
I expect Rove will be found to have done nothing illegal. It appears that he was trying to prevent Cooper from making a factual error in a story Cooper was writing. As you say, only time will tell.
"She and her hubby are considered people who don't know how to keep their mouths shut. Wonder what Val's actual clearance level was? Bet it wasn't much. With a hubby like that, it couldn't be."
Maybe not. I imagine much of the non-proliferation information is sourced from HUMINT which has stratospheric classification levels.
Which leads to the next question. Since Joe Wilson had not been in the employ of the US Government for over 4 years, did he have a security clearance W/ current 5 year background investigation? Did Plame's DNC shadow cell break the law by giving an uncleared individual access to highly classified information?
Can't wait to see the results of the investigation!
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