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Plame, By Any Other Name: Does Rove's current position pass the smell test?
Wash. Post ^ | Monday, July 11, 2005; 1:21 PM | Dan Froooooomkin

Posted on 07/11/2005 12:53:39 PM PDT by rface

There is no longer any question that top presidential adviser Karl Rove is a key player in the Valerie Plame case.

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But let's look at what we can conclude from all this:

· The latest news reports indicate that Rove is the source who Cooper was trying to protect until last week -- and that Rove tipped Cooper about Plame three days before Robert Novak published his now-famous column exposing Plame's identity.

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· Rove and his lawyer's denials that he was involved in telling reporters about Plame now appear to be at best based on Clintonian hairsplitting about whether he literally used her name and identified her as covert or he simply described her as the CIA-employed wife of Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, the administration critic that White House was eager to discredit at the time.

· President Bush and press secretary Scott McClellan's denials that Rove was involved in the Plame matter now appear to be at best based on the position that their responses to broad questions about Rove and Plame were met with narrowly constructed responses specifically about whether Rove leaked "classified information." Or is it possible Rove lied to them?

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If Karl Rove, Bush's top political strategist, longtime friend and deputy chief of staff is actually indicted by Fitzgerald -- which now appears to be a possibility -- it would be an enormous blow to Bush's second term. Until Fitzgerald wraps up his highly secretive investigation, however, that's all just speculation.

So let's ask ourselves some more practical questions instead:

· Does Rove's current position pass the smell test?

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To: DB
Let's see, Plame was common knowledge with Washington reporters and they have to prove that Rove knew that she was an undercover agent, not that she simply worked for the CIA in order for there to have been a crime.

It also has to be proven that there was malicious intent to do harm for it to rise to a criminal act. Not a chance!!

41 posted on 07/11/2005 1:15:57 PM PDT by River_Wrangler (You can't be lost if you don't care where you're at !)
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To: eureka!

What will the charges be?


42 posted on 07/11/2005 1:17:22 PM PDT by rushmom
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To: rface

No idea...didn't listen. What difference does it make?


43 posted on 07/11/2005 1:17:40 PM PDT by sofaman
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To: rface

Please keep in mind that this article is reporting how other journalists reported as if it were the gospel truth - rumor mongering at its best. Let's get the facts, then decide. The reporters have already tried and convicted Rove on no evidence. Heck, to them he's an effigy of President Bush!


44 posted on 07/11/2005 1:20:11 PM PDT by MortMan (Mostly Harmless)
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To: eureka!

Methinks yous is right, methinks it is a knave named Wilson who dropped ye old dime on Ms. Plame.


45 posted on 07/11/2005 1:20:12 PM PDT by Rumplemeyer
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To: cubreporter

...I seriously doubt K. Rove would lie, not like this. He doesn't strike me as the duplicitous type


46 posted on 07/11/2005 1:21:19 PM PDT by benben
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To: rface

Does the Washington Post pass the smell test? Only with the Dimocrats in Congress.


47 posted on 07/11/2005 1:22:02 PM PDT by hgro (ews)
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To: rface

The Washington post wants to talk about smell?


48 posted on 07/11/2005 1:22:46 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: mosquitobite

I agree with you, mosquitobite. I don't think the public at large will care (although the MSM will try very hard to make it care.) I do think, though, that it could cause problems for Rove himself, even if only because of the major distraction it will be. Plus they'll be getting testimony from Bush and other key officials. This could still be a mess.


49 posted on 07/11/2005 1:23:17 PM PDT by speedy
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To: snarks_when_bored

Maybe, maybe not. But I can assure you, nobody cares about Valery Plame except the MSM. Despite her MSM description, she's old, not hot, and most people who know anything about this case at all think that SHE's the one whose bragging about her supposed covert activities brought this idiocy on. She and her hubby are considered people who don't know how to keep their mouths shut. Wonder what Val's actual clearance level was? Bet it wasn't much. With a hubby like that, it couldn't be.

On the other hand, I know of a LOT of people who know about the recent Supreme Court eminent domain issue, who are absolutely infuriated and quite vocal about it.


50 posted on 07/11/2005 1:25:15 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: Shermy
True, but unknown what Miller is about, and Novak's first source is unlikely Rove. He described the person as "not a partisan gunslinger." That's isn't Rove.

Novak has promised to write an article revealing his source. It'll be interesting to see what he has to say.

51 posted on 07/11/2005 1:27:20 PM PDT by alnick
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To: rface

The BIG story here is not that Plame was revealed by Rove, the story is that SHE was the one who sent HER HUSBAND to Nigeria to have tea and scones and claim that to be an 'investigation' into yellow cake Uranium.

She deserves to be fired for deliberately undermining the administration.


52 posted on 07/11/2005 1:27:38 PM PDT by Mr. K
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To: Judith Anne

I agree with everything you wrote in that post!


53 posted on 07/11/2005 1:27:50 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: benben

I agree with you. Karl Rove is waaaay to smart anyway to do something like this. It will come out and the attackers will be made asses of again. :)


54 posted on 07/11/2005 1:28:39 PM PDT by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done more for this country than any of us will ever know! :))
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To: Fedora; okie01; Mitchell; Dog; cyncooper

This article is an interesting synopsis of other writers in the last pages.

Cooper's last minute story turns out to be an exaggeration - he had the same waiver from Rove as he had before. So, maybe he's trying to save face, or he plans only to talk about Rove. Could go back to the clink if he tries that.


55 posted on 07/11/2005 1:28:47 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: mosquitobite
I would agree except if you were to ask everyday citizens who Karl Rove is, the majority would say: Who? Honestly, I believe only political junkies know who Rove is. Therefore, I don't think it will harm Bush as much as the libs are foaming at the mouth for it to.

Exactly. Those who hate Rove will continue to do so, and those of us who like him will continue to be supportive of him.

56 posted on 07/11/2005 1:28:48 PM PDT by alnick
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To: rushmom

Re#42 Perjury and/or obstruction of justice. The US Attorney has known who the 'leaker' is for a long time. Nonetheless, he is trying to get presstitutes under oath. This strikes me as either (1) building an existing case or (2) setting a perjury trap. That the media is taking the "Rove implicated" mantra and running so hard with it strikes me as a distraction. We'll see...


57 posted on 07/11/2005 1:29:25 PM PDT by eureka! (It will not be safe to vote Democrat for a long, long, time...)
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To: stinkerpot65

The author is one ugly Bush-hater.


Take out the words ONE and BUSH HATER...Whatcha got left???


58 posted on 07/11/2005 1:29:49 PM PDT by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done more for this country than any of us will ever know! :))
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To: expatpat
That's not Rove's problem, if he has one. The problem could be perjury. Hopefully not.

Rove is too smart to commit perjury.

59 posted on 07/11/2005 1:29:55 PM PDT by alnick
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To: Judith Anne

Yes, but this whole issue strikes at the core of something very significant


60 posted on 07/11/2005 1:30:21 PM PDT by benben
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