Posted on 07/11/2005 12:53:39 PM PDT by rface
There is no longer any question that top presidential adviser Karl Rove is a key player in the Valerie Plame case.
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But let's look at what we can conclude from all this:
· The latest news reports indicate that Rove is the source who Cooper was trying to protect until last week -- and that Rove tipped Cooper about Plame three days before Robert Novak published his now-famous column exposing Plame's identity.
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· Rove and his lawyer's denials that he was involved in telling reporters about Plame now appear to be at best based on Clintonian hairsplitting about whether he literally used her name and identified her as covert or he simply described her as the CIA-employed wife of Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, the administration critic that White House was eager to discredit at the time.
· President Bush and press secretary Scott McClellan's denials that Rove was involved in the Plame matter now appear to be at best based on the position that their responses to broad questions about Rove and Plame were met with narrowly constructed responses specifically about whether Rove leaked "classified information." Or is it possible Rove lied to them?
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If Karl Rove, Bush's top political strategist, longtime friend and deputy chief of staff is actually indicted by Fitzgerald -- which now appears to be a possibility -- it would be an enormous blow to Bush's second term. Until Fitzgerald wraps up his highly secretive investigation, however, that's all just speculation.
So let's ask ourselves some more practical questions instead:
· Does Rove's current position pass the smell test?
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You just throw crap out with no reason, link, sense or thought. Typical from the DU. Most can spot your type miles away. If you still have an account here tomorrow I will apologize.
Fair enough?
It is fairly clear that Rove identified her as a CIA Officer by her title as the Ambassador's wife rather than by her name. When asked about his knowledge of the leak Rove said he did not identify her name. That is about as close to lying as one can get without actually uttering an untruth. The intent was to deceive and it was very Clintonesque.
I have serious heartburn about Karl Rove because of his role in defining the Administration's Hispandering strategy. I'm pretty much convinced by the arguments that Plume's CIA status was common knowledge in Washington. Nevertheless, it won't hurt my feelings at all if this episode absolutely emasculates Rove. He has done a lot of damage to America by putting the good of the GOP in front of the good of the country.
fair enough
who are "they"?
You hit that nail on the head, You know when all is said and done the real liar and slimeball in this entire ficticious scandal is Joe Wilson.
He's the one who has been lying from day one, he lied about his report and he lied when he said his wife didn't get him the appointment. He wanted the media spotlight and the media wanted to embarrass the Administration, if there is any criminal charges out of this it wouldn't surprize me if it weren't Joe Wilson.
IMO the good of the GOP IS is the good of the country. Democrats thinking otherwise so what?
Not to mention that yesterday Andrea Mitchell yesterday, on MSNBC no less, admitted that it was common knowledge around DC that Plame was CIA.
If she weren't covered by the law, and there therefore couldn't possibly have been a crime, I think that would have occurred to U.S. Attorney Fitzgerald, a Bush appointee, at some point in the last two years.
It ain't gonna be that easy.
Yeah what?
In this case, The Washington Post, but the New York Slimes and all of the MSM who have been screaming about the Plame case.
They (the MSM) clamored for a Special Prosecutor because they were hoping to nail Bob Novak because he is a conservative, but instead Liberal reporters are going to jail or frantically trying to avoid it.
To a slap on the wrist...
If anyone on this thread thinks Miller is sitting her can in a stinking jail to protect K Rove needs to stop and smell the roses. Jeez!
The latest news reports indicate that Rove is the source who Cooper was trying to protect until last week -- and that Rove tipped Cooper about Plame three days before Robert Novak published his now-famous column exposing Plame's identity.
There is an issue with the chronology here. Wilson's book mentions that a week before Novak's article came out, he heard from a friend that Novak was going around telling people, "Wilson’s an [expletive deleted]. The CIA sent him. His wife, Valerie, works for the CIA. She’s a weapons of mass destruction specialist. She sent him." If Wilson's statement is accurate--always a big "if" with Joseph Wilson--Novak had already spread this information around Washington several days before Rove talked to Cooper. Therefore Rove's conversation with Cooper proves nothing about Novak's source.
You have the context confused first Cooper's call was about Joe Wilson coming out in the media and saying the President was lying about the yellow cake incident.
Cooper had called Rove about Wilson's claim that the White House was lying about Saddam having tried to buy yellow cake from Africa. Rove told Cooper that Wilson's report did indeed confirm Saddam had tried to by yellow cake (which is true) but that also there were other sources that showed the same thing (which is also true).
When asked why Wilson was sent to Africa in the first place Karl Rove stated that Joe Wilson's wife worked for the CIA and had lobbied for and won his appointment (which coincidently is against the law).
There isn't any attempt to "out" Ms Plame he was simply stating how Joe Wilson came by that assignment, Joe Wilson by the way denied that his wife got him the job (a lie as proven by the 9-11 commission).
"In this case, The Washington Post, but the New York Slimes and all of the MSM who have been screaming about the Plame case."
Yes and a few weeks ago when the investigation appeared to be taking a 90 degree turn and reporters were looking at jail, weren't they opining "that no crime had bee committed".
Methinks Joe Wilson may be the one getting frogmarched.
Keep in mind that the Rats/liberal media still brought up Bush's National Guard service - after it has already been debunked in his 1978 Congressional run, 1994/1998 TX Governor races and the 2000 presidential race.
Don't know about whether Rove's position passes the smell's test. Today's White House briefing certainly didn't. It was pretty ugly. Not lookin' good for Rove.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/07/20050711-3.html
I refer you to YOUR post, number 60 on this thread. Take a moment and re-read it. Then check out my following post to you on this thread, number 67.
Yes, but this whole issue strikes at the core of something very significant Your post 60.
Are we all clear on this now? I ask you again, what about this issue strikes at the core of what that you consider of significance?
All true except that Judith Miller of the NYT is no liberal. There is no reason to be happy she's going to jail. Unless it is that here is one more nail in the Special-Prosecutor-idea coffin. Unleashing a Special Prosecutor is like unleashing the dogs of war. Unintended Consequences abound.
From NRO:
http://corner.nationalreview.com/
QUICK JOE WILSON BLEG [John Podhoretz]
Two years ago Joseph C. Wilson IV had a bio available online in which he mentioned his wife Valerie Plame's name. The bio has vanished. If anyone perchance saved it or a screenshot of it and can e-mail it to me, I'd be grateful. (PS: It's now 4:15 pm EDT. If you don't do it by 4:30, don't bother.)
ENOUGH JOE WILSON! [John Podhoretz]
Thanks, everybody, for the multiple copies of his bio. Check out the NYPost tomorrow for my use of it...
04:40 PM
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