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US losing to India in Science
Indian Express ^ | 10 july 2005 | Retuers

Posted on 07/10/2005 4:51:09 AM PDT by voletti

More than half a century of US dominance in science and engineering may be slipping as America's share of graduates in these fields falls relative to Europe and developing nations such as China and India, a study released on Friday says.

The study, written by Richard Freeman at the National Bureau of Economic Research in Washington, warned that changes in the global science and engineering job market may require a long period of adjustment for US workers.

Moves by international companies to move jobs in information technology, high-tech manufacturing and research and development to low-income developing countries were just "harbingers" of that longer-term adjustment, Freeman said.

Urgent action was needed to ensure that slippage in science and engineering education and research, a bulwark of the US productivity boom and resurgence during the 1990s, did not undermine America's global economic leadership, he added.

The United States has had a substantial lead in science and technology since World War Two. With just 5 per cent of the world's population, it employs almost a third of science and engineering researchers, accounts for 40 per cent of research and development spending and publishes 35 per cent of science and engineering research papers.

Many of the world's top high-tech firms are American, and government spending on defense-related technology ensures the US military's technological dominance on battlefields.

But the roots of this lead may be eroding, Freeman said.

Numbers of science and engineering graduates from European and Asian universities are soaring while new degrees in the United States have stagnated -- cutting its overall share.

(Excerpt) Read more at expressindia.com ...


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KEYWORDS: engineering; highereducation; science
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To: raybbr
What the heck does Creationism have to do with outsourcing engineering and technical research to China?

If you can't see, its worse than I thought.

21 posted on 07/10/2005 6:26:43 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth-Estate is a Fifth-Column!)
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To: From many - one.
Sputnik was not solved by throwing money at it. We were taught mathematics and science. I can still remember the "mental calisthenics" that my eighth grade math teacher put us through each morning. He read lists of three digit numbers and we had to do the sums in our heads. In English class, we diagrammed sentences. You were actually told when you got the wrong answer, and what the right answer was.
22 posted on 07/10/2005 6:27:28 AM PDT by SubMareener (Become a monthly donor! Free FreeRepublic.com from Quarterly FReepathons!)
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To: austinite

"Anybody majoring in Engineering at this time is in for a rude shock upon graduation. I wouldn't recommend it."

Ok, what should they major in? Shouldn't a college education include a challenging course of study?

You mistake a college education for trade school - lots of people do.

Prospective students: Study engineering and other technical disciplines. work hard. Be rewarded far above your peers who decided to simply "have a good time" in college while taking the easy route.


23 posted on 07/10/2005 6:28:52 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: raybbr

That's what I was wondering myself!


24 posted on 07/10/2005 6:29:18 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: DoctorMichael

"If you can't see, its worse than I thought."

Why should it matter if China and India do all science, engineering and other research. Won't that free us up for more bible study?


25 posted on 07/10/2005 6:36:41 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: DoctorMichael
So if you believe in Creationism, you can't be an effective scientist? Tell that to Dr. Raymond Damadian one of the pioneers in Magnetic Resonance Imaging. However, being a Bible-believing Christian will keep you from getting a Nobel Prize for it.
26 posted on 07/10/2005 6:37:42 AM PDT by SubMareener (Become a monthly donor! Free FreeRepublic.com from Quarterly FReepathons!)
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To: voletti

and spellin', 2!

things r gettin' bad.


27 posted on 07/10/2005 6:39:45 AM PDT by ken21 (it takes a village to brainwash your child + to steal your property! /s)
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To: SubMareener
So if you believe in Creationism, you can't be an effective scientist?

I didn't say that, you did.

Nonetheless: Creationism = Crap.

28 posted on 07/10/2005 6:41:31 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth-Estate is a Fifth-Column!)
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To: SubMareener

"So if you believe in Creationism, you can't be an effective scientist?"

So if you don't believe in Creationism, you can't be an effective Christian?

God created physics, too......many billions of years ago.


29 posted on 07/10/2005 6:44:34 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: DoctorMichael

Well if you think creationism is crap then anyone who believes it is believing in crap. Someone who believes in crap can't be effective so just say the truth. You have such anger towards people who believe in creation which is amazing to me. What has God done to you in life?


30 posted on 07/10/2005 6:48:24 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: SubMareener

That's very interesting. I think a person has to be brave to be a christian in science. Just look at the comments on this thread. It's a jungle out there.


31 posted on 07/10/2005 6:49:17 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: SubMareener

"Sputnik was not solved by throwing money at it..."

Oh, but it was. I can't tell you how many people got their science and engineering training thanks to "research assistantships" and "teachg assistantships" but it's a very big number and it includes me.

Nowadays we have practically no funds going to advanced education. Fewer and fewer students can make it though college in 4 years because of the work requirements associated with student loans. Then they face enormous grad school costs and are in competition with foreign students whose governments, in many cases, are paying theor way,


32 posted on 07/10/2005 6:52:36 AM PDT by From many - one.
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To: From many - one.
Fewer and fewer students can make it though college in 4 years because of the work requirements associated with student loans. Then they face enormous grad school costs and are in competition with foreign students whose governments, in many cases, are paying theor way,

See my tagline

33 posted on 07/10/2005 6:55:40 AM PDT by A. Pole (The Law of Comparative Advantage: "Americans should not have children and should not go to college")
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To: cyborg
......anyone who believes it is believing in crap.....

You took the words out of my mouth. Thanks!

What has God done to you in life?

THIS is a different subject altogether! Besides, I hardly know you.

34 posted on 07/10/2005 6:56:38 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth-Estate is a Fifth-Column!)
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To: voletti

"The study said deteriorating opportunities and comparative wages for young science and engineering graduates has discouraged US students from entering these fields, but not those born in other countries. "

The only thing discouraging US students from entering these fields is that it is hard, and most students don't want to have to work hard. Also some are simply not prepared out of high school to take on a rigorous course of study.

Engineering graduates are still among the highest paid graduates......It's the poly-sci and sociology graduates that have the rude awakening after they graduate.


35 posted on 07/10/2005 6:57:41 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: voletti; Admin Moderator

I think "Chindia" was supposed to be "China" in the title


36 posted on 07/10/2005 6:57:59 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (The only difference between Charles Manson and Mohammad is that Manson killed fewer people)
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To: voletti; Admin Moderator

Never mind, I got it "China-India" = Chindia. Need more coffee


37 posted on 07/10/2005 6:59:13 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (The only difference between Charles Manson and Mohammad is that Manson killed fewer people)
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To: RFEngineer
Engineering graduates are still among the highest paid graduates......It's the poly-sci and sociology graduates that have the rude awakening after they graduate.

The poly-sci's get their rude awakenings when they graduate, the engineers when they turn 40

An engineer needs to spend his 30's preparing to start his own business

38 posted on 07/10/2005 7:07:04 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (The only difference between Charles Manson and Mohammad is that Manson killed fewer people)
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To: A. Pole

"Much better choice is law. BTW how many lawyers are in Congress and how many engineers or scientists?"

By your same logic, one should encourage your children to play professional sports....afterall, look how much they make, and how they are revered in society.

I don't know where you think this stuff up - that it is hard to keep a family together and raise children as an engineer......It's just so contrary to reality. Maybe you have a different anectdote to share? Are you a divorced, unemployed engineer??


39 posted on 07/10/2005 7:09:39 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: austinite
Anybody majoring in Engineering at this time is in for a rude shock upon graduation. I wouldn't recommend it.

Nor computer science, accounting, medical transcription, etc. maybe even law, since the work that new law school graduates used to do:research etc, is now starting to be outsourced to India.

40 posted on 07/10/2005 7:14:38 AM PDT by SandyB
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