Posted on 07/05/2005 9:01:32 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan
JULY 4 is a date firmly fixed in the consciousness of all Americans. Perhaps it should also be imprinted in the mind of Scots with a sense of history. Who was involved in the building of the White House? And who helped to start the American War of Independence? The surprising answer might be Scottish freemasons.
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Do you know why some Masons become Shriners? It's because of the large amount of tinfoil you can hide in a fez. Believe it.
that's funny... there is Absolutely NO let alone little evidence that he was a Nominal member at best(which is all that is required of any Mason) let alone that he was never an active member.
i can prove he was a Mason... can you prove he wasn't active???
you "do what you can when you can" and that is the rule not the exception.
I'm in the Rosicrucians. I just revived my membership. Half of my family are also members of the Rosicrucians. No masons but the groups are very similar imho.
NONsense... i'm Catholic and a PastMaster
"If you are a Roman Catholic, you will be excommunicated if you become a Mason. You can, however, become a member of Opus Dei."
I think the Catholic analog to the Masons is the Knights of Columbus, not Opus Dei.
BTW, I have it on good authority that the original UN Charter was printed by a Mason.
need your help here!
got BlackBalled didn't you...
I don't see how masons can be excommunicated before child molesters anyway. Read this...Does this mean one can be a mason as long as they aren't plotting against the Church?
In view of these several reasons Catholics since 1738 are, under penalty of excommunication, incurred ipso facto, and reserved to the pope, strictly forbidden to enter or promote in any way Masonic societies. The law now in force [214] pronounces excommunication upon "those who enter Masonic or Carbonarian or other sects of the same kind, which, openly or secretly, plot against the Church or lawful authority and those who in any way favour these sects or do not denounce their leaders and principal members."
Not many, but I can tell you they exist.
I have heard that the Catholic church (and many Protestant ones as well) frown on its members joining the lodge, but I can't say as I've ever heard of a Catholic being excommunicated because of it.
It's always been my understanding that Catholic and other denominations' problems with Freemasonry was their concern that the lodge would displace the church.
However, the Masonic lodge goes out of its way with every new member to stress that it in no way should replace the member's church.
There have been a lot of fears and misconceptions about Freemasonry dating back hundreds of years, most of them absurd.
It is a wonderful fraternity with the noblest of principles and objectives.
Mr. Tid:
Well, gentlemen, we have two architectural designs for this new residential block of yours and I thought it best if the architects themselves explained the particular advantages of their designs.
(There is a knock at the door)
Mr. Tid:
Ah! That's probably the first architect now. Come in.
(Mr. Wiggin enters)
Mr. Wiggin:
Good morning, gentlemen.
Clients:
Good morning.
Mr. Wiggin:
This is a 12-story block combining classical neo-Georgian features with the efficiency of modern techniques. The tenants arrive here and are carried along the corridor on a conveyor belt in extreme comfort, past murals depicting Mediterranean scenes, towards the rotating knives. The last twenty feet of the corridor are heavily soundproofed. The blood pours down these chutes and the mangled flesh slurps into these...
Client 1:
Excuse me.
Mr. Wiggin:
Yes?
Client 1:
Did you say 'knives'?
Mr. Wiggin:
Rotating knives, yes.
Client 2:
Do I take it that you are proposing to slaughter our tenants?
Mr. Wiggin:
...Does that not fit in with your plans?
Client 1:
Not really. We asked for a simple block of flats.
Mr. Wiggin:
Oh. I hadn't fully divined your attitude towards the tenants. You see I mainly design slaughter houses.
Clients:
Ah.
Mr. Wiggin:
Pity.
Clients:
Yes.
Mr. Wiggin:
(indicating points of the model) Mind you, this is a real beaut. None of your blood caked on the walls and flesh flying out of the windows incommoding the passers-by with this one.
(confidentially) My life has been leading up to this.
Client 2:
Yes, and well done, but we wanted an apartment block.
Mr. Wiggin:
May I ask you to reconsider.
Clients:
Well...
Mr. Wiggin:
You wouldn't regret this. Think of the tourist trade.
Client 1:
I'm sorry. We want a block of flats, not an abattoir.
Mr. Wiggin:
...I see. Well, of course, this is just the sort of blinkered philistine pig-ignorance I've come to expect from you non-creative garbage. You sit there on your loathsome spotty behinds squeezing blackheads, not caring a tinker's cuss for the struggling artist. You excrement, you whining hypocritical toadies! ... with your colour TV sets and your Tony Jacklin golf clubs and your bleeding masonic secret handshakes. You wouldn't let me join, would you, you blackballing bastards?! Well I wouldn't become a Freemason now if you went down on your lousy stinking knees and begged me!!
Client 2:
We're sorry you feel that way, but we did want a block of flats, nice though the abattoir is.
Mr. Wiggin:
Oh sod the abattoir, that's not important.
(He dashes forward and kneels in front of them) But if any of you could put in a word for me I'd love to be a mason. Masonry opens doors. I'd be very quiet, I was a bit on edge just now but if I were a mason I'd sit at the back and not get in anyone's way.
Client 1:
(politely) Thank you.
Mr. Wiggin:
...I've got a second-hand apron.
Client 2:
Thank you.
(Mr. Wiggin hurries to the door but stops...)
Mr. Wiggin:
I nearly got in at Hendon.
Keep trying....I agree with you.
My dad was involved in this....still is.
Much concern.
sometimes, wives don't like the idea that a Lodge has a bar that their husband will hang out in before / after meetings and on the weekends etc. etc.
i have no problems with any type of Lodge(Elk,Moose,etc.) having a bar cause they make money that way too.
i'm just saying it's one less thing to cause family friction cause you don't ever go there just to drink.
not that you drink... ohhh damn, i'm not saying this well but you get my drift... i hope 8^)
Got it.
No worries.
coool... i should re-up my membership and dues cause i stopped in the 80's but you will get alot out of it... i know i did.
also the Masons have a RoseCroix degree too.
Unintentional pun?
i really don't know bout that but i do know that only the Pope can ExCommunicate somebody, and i guess i always figgured if nobody else told him, i wouldn't either... 8^)
believe me... there is NOTHING in Masonry that is against Christs teachings that i have ever seen!!!
Good enough for George Washington and John Wayne... good enough for me...
Agreed.
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