[HitmanLV]

I think the problem is that it wasn't enough to get equality and that the mandate quickly became with some folks to ape men as much as they could. Anything 'feminine' was regarded as inferior, anything 'masculine' - that is, anything men do - was considered something to mimic. While all women who self identify as feminists don't think this way, enough did (and do).

I say mimic because that's what it is - a shallow imitation in most cases. It didn't serve to satisfy the women and rather than approach it as an opportunity to get insight in how the sexes could be different and yet have the same flexibility to pursue careers, for instance.

The fact that enough women give away their sexual goodies even though they expect a pitifully low standard of conduct from the men in their lives (at least in comparison to the standard of conduct expected in 1890, 1910, 1930, 1950, etc) does have something to do with general decline in morals, it also has to do with a fundamental misunderstanding of what they really want in a relationship.

So it has a lot to do with the sexes (not genders) not making any effort to know their sex, and the opposite sex. Since I make an effort to know my sex, and the opposite sex, and only hang around with people who do, we all tend to do pretty well.

[durasell]

You can't turn back the clock. What worked well in 1890 or 1950 would be a disaster in 2005.

[Kelly_2000]

Hi HitmanNY

Yes I agree with that, but this is not a mainstream viewpoint for women. So it cannot therefore explain the high failure in marriage and the downturn in morality resulting in quick fire short term relationships that are not lasting longer than breakfast.

"The fact that enough women give away their sexual goodies even though they expect a pitifully low standard of conduct from the men in their lives (at least in comparison to the standard of conduct expected in 1890, 1910, 1930, 1950, etc) does have something to do with general decline in morals, it also has to do with a fundamental misunderstanding of what they really want in a relationship."

This is a good point you make but again the cause is IMO based on a lowering of expectation ON BOTH sides. in other words the morality benchmark has been lowered in society. Standards where higher in the past behavior from those courting and those being courted was different. THAT is what has changed the dynamics of marriage and long term relationships.