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Parents miss Mass, kids get ax
NY Daily News ^ | 06.27.05 | NANCY DILLON

Posted on 06/27/2005 1:42:52 PM PDT by Coleus

Parents miss Mass, kids get ax

The pastor of a Staten Island Catholic church is playing holy hardball - kicking hundreds of kids out of religious ed classes because their families aren't showing up at Mass.

The Rev. Michael Cichon, pastor of St. Joseph/St. Thomas in Pleasant Plains, used each family's bar-coded donation envelope to track attendance.

He's tossed about 300 kids from classes and told them not to reapply until next April.

Without the classes, children cannot receive the sacraments, meaning some youngsters who thought they'd be making their First Communion next year will have to wait.

The suspensions, legal under church doctrine, were a shock to many parents with kids enrolled in the 1,400-child program, which caters to kids who don't attend Catholic schools.

"It's hurtful," said Joseph LoPizzo, 38, whose 6-year-old son was booted. "I've been a parishioner at that church for 23 years - longer than he's been the reverend."

LoPizzo said he paid the $150 for his son's Thursday afternoon classes last year, but his father-in-law's illness hampered the family's church attendance.

"I've just never heard of a church kicking you out," complained Lisa Nicol, 36, who got a letter saying her 7-year-old twin daughters had been barred from classes. "They should be more welcoming and sensitive."

The pastor said he suspended kids from the 2005-2006 after-school program because Mass is an "essential" component of the Catholic faith.

The affected families were attending church less than once a month, he said.

Cichon insisted that the move has nothing to do with the lack of a donation.

"There are many families who put absolutely nothing inside the envelopes they submit," he said.

Originally published on June 27, 2005



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; US: New York
KEYWORDS: canonlaw; catholiclist; ccd; children; church; churchattendance; lapsed; mass; nyc; parents; statenisland; whiners
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To: FeeinTennessee
We Catholics believe that we have an obligation to assist at Mass every Sunday.

This is an important part of the Faith that they are learning in these classes. So, if the parents are rarely showing up for Mass, it doesn't really help reinforce what the kids are learning.

That said, I'm not in a position to say whether or not this pastor made the right call.

41 posted on 06/27/2005 1:57:31 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: B Knotts

Okay, my bad.

Then, I agree with the priest.

When my mom was growing up, there had to be a very good reason why ANY Catholic child was not in a Catholic school. If you couldn't afford it, the Church found a way.


42 posted on 06/27/2005 1:58:04 PM PDT by vrwcagent0498 (Mark Levin and Ann Coulter are my patron saints.)
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To: vrwcagent0498

you aren't getting it. this is NOT about attendance at a Catholic elementary school. it is CCD, which is religion class for kids who attend public school, and which is required for them to be able to receive the sacraments. My kids attend catholic school with noncatholics, but there is no point to having any nonCatholics in a catholic education class.


43 posted on 06/27/2005 1:58:24 PM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Dinsdale
This is'nt regular Catholic school. This is eat the cracker prep. Only Catholics.

I knew the anti-Catholic bigots would not be far behind on this one...

44 posted on 06/27/2005 1:58:29 PM PDT by frogjerk
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To: wideawake

I'm conflicted on this one.
The parents need to be called out on their disregard of the Third Commandment, but at the same time the kids need to be instructed no matter how slack their folks are.

It's a tough call. >>>>

You're right, the kids have souls and brains too, both of which need to be enriched.


45 posted on 06/27/2005 1:58:41 PM PDT by Coleus ("Woe unto him that call evil good and good evil"-- Isaiah 5:20-21)
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To: God-n-GeorgeW

There are many Churches (including mine) which would be happy to teach Sunday School to any and all, not only those who donate. It's biased reporting like this that gives us Christians a bad name. >>

what's biased? the pastor said money was not an issue, attendance at mass was.


46 posted on 06/27/2005 1:59:30 PM PDT by Coleus ("Woe unto him that call evil good and good evil"-- Isaiah 5:20-21)
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To: tfecw
St. Thomas opined in this way:

Every man is bound to fulfil those duties which he has undertaken to perform. Now it has been stated above that godparents take upon themselves the duties of a tutor. Consequently they are bound to watch over their godchildren when there is need for them to do so: for instance when and where children are brought up among unbelievers. But if they are brought up among Catholic Christians, the godparents may well be excused from this responsibility, since it may be presumed that the children will be carefully instructed by their parents. If, however, they perceive in any way that the contrary is the case, they would be bound, as far as they are able, to see to the spiritual welfare of their godchildren.

It would seem that the parents have the primary responsibility.

And, legally speaking, godparents can only intervene so much into their godchildren's raising.

Who knows how many of these parents have already had godparents take them to task and ignored them?

47 posted on 06/27/2005 1:59:35 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: Coleus
This piece is so poorly written that it's hard to tell what's really going on. For instance, early on it mentions that the kids are only being removed from religious ed courses but later on it mentions keeping them out of classes in such a way that one might infer they mean all classes.

Indeed, some posters are terming what happened to be expulsions when that is clearly not the case.

There are several things we need to know on this. First, were the parents informed about the requirement for attending Mass? Yes, I know about "days of obligation" but since the religious classes require a certain level of attendance, that needs to be spelled out as part of the class requirement.

Second, were the parents informed of the attendance tracking via the envelopes' bar coding? If so, were they able to verify their attendance by some other method (ex: what happens if you forget your envelope and just drop cash in the basket)? Could the student just inform a deacon, teacher, or lay assistant that they are there?

Third, if parents were aware of the class requirement, why weren't they making some other arrangements with the priest if family pressures or obligations were interfering with their attendance.

Yeah, the guy running the school is sure playing hardball here (please visit your local Episcopalian Church for extensive softball lessons!) but these parents wailing about having to pay the consequences for their failing to meet their obligations sure isn't evoking much sympathy from this outside observer!
48 posted on 06/27/2005 1:59:41 PM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: Coleus
I have no problem with keeping CINO's from receiving sacraments, whether the transgression is not attending mass, supporting abortion, or some other sufficiently serious matter. I do have a problem with the lazy practice of using donation envelopes as a litmus test. This priest has no idea whther the families are attending mass at other parishes, which would certainly fulfill their obligation. My "home" parish conducts very heterodox services, and I haven't darkened their door for over a year. Some of these families may have similar issues with this parish, and are voting with their feet.
49 posted on 06/27/2005 2:00:17 PM PDT by Luddite Patent Counsel (Theyre digging through all of your files, stealing back your best ideas.)
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To: AppyPappy

That works for Protestants but not Catholics. Mass happens all the time. >>

Right, on saturdays and about 3-4 times on Sundays. I wonder what that dude did for his Father in Law anyway?


50 posted on 06/27/2005 2:00:29 PM PDT by Coleus ("Woe unto him that call evil good and good evil"-- Isaiah 5:20-21)
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To: vrwcagent0498

I misread the article (I thought this was an expulsion from Catholic school)

Guess I can't do 3 things at one time. (read, listen to my child, and organize my desk!)


51 posted on 06/27/2005 2:00:29 PM PDT by vrwcagent0498 (Mark Levin and Ann Coulter are my patron saints.)
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To: vrwcagent0498

my youngest child has to attend CCD because she has a learning disability which required us to pull her from Catholic school and send her to a private Christian school specializing in LD. There are a number of reasons why Catholic children may not be able to attend Catholic school as well as many reasons for NonCatholic kids to want to attend Catholic school. we live in NoVA and there is a long line at my kids Catholic school for registration each year, with parents lining up the night before. this in the vaunted Falls Church public school system that is well thought of as far as academics, but as someone else pointed out the liberal BS is beyond the pale.


52 posted on 06/27/2005 2:00:53 PM PDT by xsmommy
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To: redhead; All

So you are all for the priest to violate Christ's dictum of "Suffer the little children to come unto me"?

With the priest doing what he is doing, he is denying the children the right to come into Christ's presence!


53 posted on 06/27/2005 2:01:31 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (Even when a dog discovers he is barking up a wrong tree, he can still take a leak on it!)
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To: FoxInSocks
use bouncers to keep out the unwashed?

Years ago, I was a graduate student and rode a Honda motorcycle. I bought it because I could not afford a car, but I grew to love it! I went to Mass at a local Catholic church. One Sunday, the priest stopped me at the door and said that I could not go in dressed the way I was (coveralls, helmet under my arm...) I tried to explain the good father that it was January, very cold, thus the coveralls, and that I could not wear a dress and ride my motorcycle. Adding that I felt sure God would rather see me dressed like that in church, than at home, I pushed him and walked in. It didn't take me long before I quit going to that church!

54 posted on 06/27/2005 2:01:41 PM PDT by Former Fetus (fetuses are 100% pro-life, they just don't vote yet!)
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To: TheBigB
>We never attended mass.

>Of course, we weren't Catholic, either.



Sorry, I had no choice. I *had* to post that.
55 posted on 06/27/2005 2:01:52 PM PDT by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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To: Thinkin' Gal

what kind of ping list is this?


56 posted on 06/27/2005 2:02:16 PM PDT by Coleus ("Woe unto him that call evil good and good evil"-- Isaiah 5:20-21)
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To: Dinsdale
I remember you.

You're the lunatic who insisted that there is no proof Christianity existed before 300 AD.

57 posted on 06/27/2005 2:02:36 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: xsmommy

I was pointing out how much more strict things were back in my mother's (Catholic) school days.

This priest was not asking too much. How can the child be ready to receive Christ in First Holy Communion, if he/she doesn't know what It is?


58 posted on 06/27/2005 2:02:51 PM PDT by vrwcagent0498 (Mark Levin and Ann Coulter are my patron saints.)
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To: frogjerk
So you disagree with how I discribe the class and have to throw in 'bigot'.

You do realize not everybody understands (as evidenced by the question) what these classes were.

How is 'eat the cracker prep' not discriptive and accurate?

59 posted on 06/27/2005 2:02:56 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: Coleus

I'm a TRAD and I have NEVER heard of this behavior from any Catholic Church. Usually the Priest was at the Family's residence, trying to help. Visiting the sick and physically impaired. Just another way to destroy what's left of the Catholic Church and their belief in God.

I'm very happy that I attend a Traditional Catholic Church. Our church "Our Lady of Fatima" in Carnegie, PA has grown. We don't have enough pews! We have to put chairs in the isle's and sometimes there is standing room only!!!

Never been to or want to go back to the Traditional Catholic Church, click on SSPX Chapels in the menue on the left, and follow the instructions:
http://www.sspx.org/


60 posted on 06/27/2005 2:03:13 PM PDT by 26lemoncharlie ('Cuntas haereses tu sola interemisti in universo mundo!')
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