Posted on 06/26/2005 9:17:36 AM PDT by AZConcervative
I think Graham is a good man but like all people he sometimes says something wrong, this time it was not only wrong but evil.
Good point, it's part of the Popularity Cult in America today. But Jeremiah or Jonah or Paul would have repudiated "popularity." The Bible says that we cannot be all things to all men. It says that we should shun popularity. We cannot be popular and do the right thing.
Billy has long said that he is a "registered" NC Democrat, but he says he votes "the man," not the party. For years, even Jesse Helms believed that Graham was supporting his Senate campaigns, but was he?
Billy Graham is/was a man of religious and so political prominense. HE was sought out by many with political ambitions. Very early in his career, he was to meet with a president, Eisenhower I think. He did a photo op of kneeling on the White House lawn to pray, and it came back to bite in in the a**. Since then, he's avoided overt public attention with politicians. It doesn't mean he's avoided them, he just learned not to be in the spotlight with them.
Every president has had their "spiritual advisors", and Billy has been to a number of them. Bill Clinton asked Billy, but Billy graciously declined. I would say for a few reasons, though I don't really know. 1-Bill Clinton wanted to be associated with the most well known and respected christian in America, if not the world. Billy Graham would have given Clinton legitamacy. 2-Clinton wasn't sincere in his seeking of spiritual guidance. 3-Age. Billy was feeling old, and felt others could do just as well "advise" Clinton.
As far as point 1 goes. Bill Clinton had at least 2 "spiritual advisors" that I know of, 3 if you count the Rearend Jessie Jackson, but I don't. 1-was Tony Campollo a fairly popular pastor, with some pretty liberal leanings. religously, therefore politically. And 2-Bill Hybels, pastor of the largest, or one of the largest churches in the US. Though Hybels wanted to keep the association low key, and for the most part succeded. Clinton still used the assocation to his benefit, to give him credibility.
Billy Graham is now a very old man. The fire that is left in him, he wants to use for important issues. Though politics are important, politics only affect some, and only affect the present. Billy's message affects eternity for everyone. So he chooses the most important battle to use his energy.
Why was Clinton at a Billy Graham crusade? I have no clue. I would have laughed at him and kicked him in the a** on the way out. (better yet, kicked his wife in the a** on the way out) But the Grahams are extremely gracious people. Also, why not USE Clinton for your purposes, like he uses others? What better way to draw non-christians to an event, than to have the most beloved president to non-christians, speek at the event. Knowing that BJC isn't going to say anything damaging at the event. At least nothing that can truely damage the gospel.
Besides, when the spawn of Satan is the senator of New York, why not use Satan against Satan?
Perched up in nosebleed territory, I was in a good position to watch the multitudes below. You cannot believe the hypnotic sway Graham could induce in a crowd while he spoke. Not a noise could be heard. He was riveting. I am not a person who tends to exaggerate. I had gone to the crusade event as a slightly cynical observer.
Perhaps other freepers who saw him decades ago can bear me out. It was almost unbelievable. I doubt if we'll ever see the likes of Billy Graham again.
Back to politics......Hillary and Bill's skilled operatives can use video shots and sound bites of their appearance with Graham in the next presidential campaign. Their appearance with the preacher will certainly soften their images (if even slightly) in the bible belts of the country. Not good.
The Clintons continually create situations (such as this one) and then find ways to turn the situations to their advantage in elections.
Remember, the Democrat party has always been a party of coalitions. The Clintons know how to mine pockets of votes no matter how small (read the felon vote, for example). Then they add the small pockets to the whole.
I agree with you, small voice. I've always felt that Billy suffered from the same disease you mentioned (to be loved and admired) that afflicts both GHWB and GWB to a degree I find uncomfortable at times.
Leni
"The evangelist is suffering from fluid on the brain" - that's what did it!!!
I think in the long run, Franklin, must take as much responsibility as Graham himself. His father is at this point in life a symbol as much as anything. He should not allow him to be used by those as low as the Clintons. The problem is that there is some history that indicates that Billy has allowed himself to be used by politicians in the past. This does not bode well for the future of Graham's ministry under Franklin's direction. And as disheartening as this incident is for those of faith, the pastor of the largest church in America appeared on Larry King Live this past week. And I encourage anyone to read the transcript, and point out where there pastor gave anything amounting to a public testament to Jesus Christ and his saving grace.
not a surprise. Graham compromises truth for popularity.
You are talking about that Houston nondenominational minister, whose name I have forgotten. That young man was shamelessly pandering to the uregenerate, and I watched only a few minutes of the interview. I could not stand it. The Bible addresses that young man in several respects.
No, he spoke the truth and got his head served on a platter.
"But didn't Jesus get criticized for exactly the same thing"
No he didn't. Jesus was harshly critical of the apostate religious and political leaders of his day. He pulled no punches, calling them snakes, vipers, sons of Satan, heretics, and murderers.
The truth is always a good outreach.
SIN is what killed Jesus.
Billy Grahmam is in his dottage and has been for about ten years. When I was a child I was taught to excuse senile behavior for the sake of what the person once was and will do so now.
Suggest y'all drop a line (like I did) to www.billygraham.org. I let 'em know how I felt. Was hard too. My Pastor's brother is Dr. Corts, BG's E-VP for 40 years. My Dentist is a good guy named Dr. Lotz (Ruth Lotz-Graham's husband).
FWIW, I'm not a big follower of BG, so I don't know a lot about him. But there is one thing that I appreciate about BG—and that is how carefully he has lived his personal life (from what I know) and his emphasis on Jesus instead of money. That imho is admirable.
And I will not let idiots like the Clintons separate all of us politically! So I just tend to let a lot of this "social niceties" stuff wash right over me and save my outrage for bigger things. I have to pick my battles because I don't have enough energy to expend on it all. Perhaps I'm wrong. Some people think that makes me an idiot. Who knows.
Anyway, I'm off to take care of responsibilities. Nice talking to you and hope you have a terrific day.
I am with you 100% on Billy Graham -- his son has always struck me as being much more conservative than his Father. But then I have never been much into Billy Graham crusades or others -- mostly leave me cold. His statements on the Clintons showed me that my instincts that he was not a conservative were right.
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