Posted on 06/25/2005 11:51:25 PM PDT by HeebrewHammer
Dear Friends of Israel,
YOUR LETTER IS NEEDED NOW.
Please take a few minutes and write a letter to the leadership of the United Church of Christ because they are preparing to have a conference in Atlanta Georgia NEXT WEEK (July 3, 2005) and decide on whether or not to divest from companies who do business in Israel.
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Read the letter below and write your own TODAY..... please. Don't leave this task to someone else...
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thomasj@ucc.org guffeye@ucc.org jacksonb@ucc.org malayanj@ucc.org copel@ucc.org info@standwithus.com
Dear Spiritual Leaders of the United Church of Christ,
As Jews who have known discrimination, boycotts and isolation by Christian churches, we ask you to lead the United Church of Christ in rejecting the upcoming General Synod Resolutions 3, 15, and 16.
These resolutions seek to isolate Israel and deprive it of reasonable security measures through proposed church actions including divestment of church funds from companies doing business with Israel.
Why would the United Church of Christ embrace resolutions that penalize one side - Israel - without leveling equally strong criticism against the Palestinian Authority, which for example, has not dismantled Palestinian terrorist groups?
Should you not, as leaders of a human rights focused church, focus your criticism on Christian-hostile governments such as Saudi Arabia which denies women basic human rights and bans public expression by non-Muslims?
Anti-Semitism is found throughout the Arab world's media and education systems. If the General Synod passed these resolutions, they only will serve to legitimize and even make attractive the foul stench of fanaticism such as Palestinian clerics calling for genocide of Israelis - Jews and non-Jews. May we suggest that the General Synod view Palestinian Authority Television footage of Palestinian children being trained to become suicide bombers. As you know, Israel is the Middle East's safest place for persecuted sexual minorities. As leaders of a welcoming Christian denomination, surely this must be important to you. Many Palestinians who have suffered persecution and/or threat of hate crimes for their own life style differences, have found refuge in Israel. One would hope that the UCC would be consistent with its own liberal values, and support the one country in the Middle East that upholds the freedom to be different, and serves as a beacon of tolerance for all minorities in the Middle East.
Christian faith is tied to Hebrew Scriptures. Yet through these General Synod resolutions, a small group of anti-Israel activists attempts now to demonize Israel on behalf of the entire UCC denomination. Please keep in mind too that for 57 years Israel has been a safe haven for Arab Christians.
We ask you to lead the General Synod in a strong rejection of the aforementioned and unjust resolutions.
Sincerely,
Esther Renzer, National President,
Roz Rothstein, National Director StandWithUs
Are they in the same boat as liberal Methodists, Epsicopalians, Prebyterians and cafeteria Catholics??
Where are the REAL Christians these days?
We are becoming a harvest for the Muslims.
That's closer to what we have. Though good stems from G-d, evil is more an unwillingness to do right, or a failure to do so, or perversely doing the opposite. Thus, there are different degrees. But I find it fascinating that that's the case amongst many Christians too. I was unaware. Learn something new every day I guess.
See, there's something we don't have in Judiasm as strongly as Christians: the idea of salvation. Notice how there are very few, if any, Jewish evangelicals. We don't really seek to convert anyone, although we do accept converts. This is part of the idea of salvation through good works for Judiasm (G-d judging you for your own life) vs. salvation through Jesus for Christians (where he puts himself in your place before G-d, and therefore G-d sees perfection). In both, salvation comes from the Lord, but in the former, salvation depends on your own free will and your own actions, while in the latter, you need to be Saved no matter who you are, if I understand correctly.
Isn't this the "chinese menu" selective belief homosexual churches?
If so, It seems this is a media effort to puff up a fringe group.
That seems somewhat contradictory to me. Why would you offer G-d filthy rags, and how are filthy rags (metaphorically speaking), evidence of salvation?
Where does that leave free will? Doesn't that imply that without accepting Jesus, all you do is worthless crap, and if you won't accept Jesus then you might as well do whatever you want, since you're damned anyway? Doesn't it also imply that no matter what you do, you're fine so long as you accept Jesus and repent? And that you are not responsible for your actions (since it won't matter, and it's the same result... etc. etc.)
Or someone who won't accept Jesus as messiah? Are all those who do not accept Jesus as messiah condemned to damnation?
Where does that leave free will? Doesn't that imply that without accepting Jesus, all you do is worthless crap, and if you won't accept Jesus then you might as well do whatever you want, since you're damned anyway?
Thats the whole point though, prisoners to sin we could not lift ourself up from it, no mater how just. Christ sacrifice changes that. The just man, by imitating Christ can conform himself to God's will. Think of it as a legal precedent, though thats a rather dry analogy, for we can invoke Christ as our advocate, and prove it by good works. This is why faith is the requirement for the works to have any validity since you cannot be invoking Christ through them if you don't even believe. On the other hand good works are necessary as they are a part of God's will, and if you do believe in Him, not just in the metaphorical sense but as a great treasure to hold close to the heart, it's incumbent on you to live your life that way as best you can. As it is written in James II: 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar? 22 You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by works, 23 and the scripture was fulfilled which says, "Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness"; and he was called the friend of God. 24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. 25 And in the same way was not also Rahab the harlot justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? 26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so faith apart from works is dead.
Good works, assuming they are in voluntary submission to God's will (the aspect in which human Free Will comes in), are valid since the act has as a motive the invocation of the Redeemer. It's also tied in with the Christian desire to be spiritually joined with the creator, for if we do good things in the capacity of God's loyal servants we can be justified in His sight even though it is through, by, and in accordance with His will to begin with, and not of our own.
It is for the Lord to deem them smug and arrogant, no excuse for you or any Christian to hate or reprove them. God will reprove them Himself, it is for us as Christians to witness to His mercy, His vengeance is His alone. Besides it comes too close to pride to appoint yourself judge over the unbelievers.
I know how hard it can be not to reprove those who remain obstinate to God, it seems too monstrous an attitude to a true believer. And, if God engineers a time and a place for you to reprove them, and be His instrument in that regard, fine, but it's not a position which a Christian should enjoy, and certainly not something he should seek of his own will. To a Catholic that is the responsibility of God's shepherds, to lead and reprove on occasion, but it's a cross to bear not a glory for one's self.
You should not have to tell someone he's a fool for not believing, simply show them they are. So don't think of them as being smug and arrogant, true or not it has nothing to do with you, and you could pollute your own faith with arrogance. Remember when you see the obstinate that there, but for quite literally the Grace of God, go you.
If I let someone else bear my sins, then I am abrogating responsibility. I cannot let someone else take responsibility for my failings. What kind of a man would that make me? I'm not sure if I want to be judged for my actions, but I do think I need to be. I repent of my sins, and I take pleasure in my good works (even if, as you so accurately said, they are all at least a little tinged with pride or some other self-interest), but I don't want someone else suffering on my behalf, and I trust in G-d that he will understand and forgive me my trespasses. Good works are never worthless to G-d, in my eyes.
The sacrifice of animals (and fruits and grains and all offerings) is different. The sacrifice was to offer the best of the land and of the people to G-d, to show him their esteem and their gratitude. There's two exceptions to this, the white lamb and the black lamb: one is to remember a covenant, the other is (as you said) to bear the sins of a community. But it's more symbolic than anything else.
I am not confident in my own righteousness. I could be much more righteous than I am. But I do try, even though I should try harder. And in the end, I trust in G-d. I trust in G-d's mercy, that he will see past my pride and my sins to see that I have struggled to be do the right thing, that I truly do repent of my sins, that I have done good works, for the glory of his name, and for other reasons, that I have loved mankind his children and that he will, when he looks at all of me, find me worthy to sit by his side in the world to come.
Ultimately, my salvation lies in G-d's hands, and noone else's. I must strive to make myself worthy of it in this world, so that I may be worthy of the world to come.
Personally, I do believe in evil. I am of the school of thought that evil has more to do with man's failings than with a supernatural force. People that are truly evil in G-d's sight are subject to the worst punishment of all: nothing. Nothing for eternity. They are cast alone and forgotten into the void, and they realize this. And it is for eternity. They will not be resurrected or brought into the world to come when the Messiah comes. However, this is my opinion, not Judiasm's (the not resurrected part is in keeping with Judiasm though). Judiasm doesn't maintain a belief in Hell (I do personally, but not a traditional Christian Hell), and its view of evil is complicated (summed up and GROSSLY oversimplified, there -is- evil, but it occurs through the misuse of freewill and the perversion of God's laws, or not -acting- in accordance with God's laws).
Basically, with Judiasm, you work to secure a place in the world to come, not out of fear of punishment necessarily.
It's not a matter of what I can do, or what I would rather do, as a matter of what I should do. Even if I fall short, it is my duty to at least -try- to take responsibility for my own actions, and to act well. Judiasm doesn't condemn 'sin by thought' so much as 'sin by action'. As an example, having violent thoughts is not morally wrong (from a Jewish perspective, or at the very leasts its less morally wrong than in Christianity), but acting on those thoughts and impulses are every bit as wrong as it would be in Christianity. It's VERY hard to control your thoughts, but controlling your actions is easier and within your control.
I would suffer for other people if I could (though not -all- other people). I believe that I am worthy of redemption and salvation. Also, think of it from my perspective: what kind of man would I be if I gave up my faith and my traditions and all that my family and my ancestors suffered for because someone said G-d was going to damn me unless I did. I only have their word for it. I follow the Tanakh, which is the Word of God, and I've been taught that's enough. If I did the opposite, would I become Christian (damned if I don't), Muslim (damned if I don't), or any other number of religions (I won't be reincarnated as something good if I don't, my zeta scan will pollute me, the aliens won't bring me to their paradise, etc.)? I put more stock in Christianity and its teachings than in other religions, for a variety of reasons, and I take many of its teachings and tenets seriously, but I am not going to become Christian without some serious proof at this point. I don't mean offence, but for me to do it because of the threat of damnation would be an insult to my family, ancestors and faith and cowardly on my part. I would expect and hope that G-d expects more and better of me.
Fortitude is a cardinal virtue in Judiasm and Christianity for a reason: without it, we could not endure what G-d asks us to endure.
I've read that of Jesus, and I think its a noble sentiment, if not entirely accurate. Therefore, I personally choose to accept his words as a metaphor. But sin by action for me is far more serious. I've thought of killing people I didn't like, especially when I was younger. I didn't, because its an evil action (and thought) and the law forbids it. As for what I'll sacrifice for my family, I don't know yet. Let me just say that if I abandon my family and my values easily in this life, without just cause, I will be losing my soul, a sentiment I am sure you can understand.
G-d is omniscient and if he thought the law would have never stopped anyone, he would not have given it. All I can do is be the best I can be, do good works and offer my life to make G-d's earth a better place, to show that I have taken his lessons to heart. As when I am judged, he will not ask me "Why were you not Jeremiah, or Solomon" but"'Why were you not Alexander?" I do not want to be unable to answer him as best I can.
In this case, I meant lose my soul in the metaphorical sense, for without due cause, I would be abandoning my values and virtues for my own selfish reason. And I abandon my principles, what do I have?
Your example of David and Bathsheba is a good one, by the by, that illustrates your point well. I still maintain that sin by thought is a far less serious infraction than sin by action. As I said before, it's hard to control your thoughts (impossible in fact, though it is possible to condition your mind to not think certain thoughts), but your will gives you the power to resist sinning by action, if you are strong enough.
And, as to what I will accomplish, ask me again in about seventy or eighty years.
What do you consider due cause? What do you consider as unselfish reasons?
All sin separates us from God. How He judges it is another matter, but why take the chance of putting yourself under judgment when someone else can bear the penalty of your sin?
There is an old Christian saying, "Keep short accounts with God." That is, since one never knows when one will be called to answer, its best to confess and repent.
You are correct: many sins only exist as thoughts. However, thoughts left unchecked often lead to action. Years ago, I read SISTER CARRIE by Theodore Dreiser. One of the characters in the novel thought so long and hard about stealing money entrusted to his care that eventually he could not resist the impulse. He coveted the money long before he ever took it from the safe.
Jesus redefined the commandments because sin existing as thought can lead to action. By removing the act of stealing from the hand to its real location - the mind - Jesus allows us to escape from the trap of justification and rationalization. He extends grace to those who desirve justice.
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