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"You know, there are male and female lawyers who wake up in the morning and are actually proud of being ACLU lawyers. But I think the majority of Americans view ACLU lawyers as people who hate America and who want to destroy all Judeo-Christian values and beliefs."

Actually, I think the ACLU lawyers are proud of the fact that they hate America and are proud of their efforts to destroy our Judeo-Christian culture.

1 posted on 06/24/2005 8:00:12 PM PDT by wagglebee
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"But I think the majority of Americans view ACLU lawyers as people who hate America and who want to destroy all Judeo-Christian values and beliefs."

Here is a little irony: Abraham, Isaac, Jacob (name changed to Israel), Moses. King David, King Solomon, etc. were ALL polygamists and yet they are highly revered still today. Anybody see any inconsistencies on this?

(Please note: I definitely am NOT advocating the legalization of polygamy today, and the ACLU drives me nuts; I'm just pointing out an historical fact that people in the Judeo/Christian tradition of today typically fail to acknowledge when abhoring polygamy).

:)


87 posted on 06/24/2005 10:32:07 PM PDT by JustTheTruth
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Didn't everyone pooh pooh Santorum when he warned this was coming down the pike?


88 posted on 06/24/2005 10:44:59 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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Historically polygamy (man and more than one wife) has been practiced by many cultures. Sodomy on the other hand is considered unacceptable. I find many liberal females are uncomfortable with polygamy. Many of the married one will not be happy if their husband shows up with another woman and declares her to be his second wife. Let the ACLU legalize it, and you will see many liberal females question their own support for the liberal agenda.


89 posted on 06/24/2005 10:45:00 PM PDT by Fee (Great powers never let minor allies dictate who, where and when they must fight.)
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I think people should be free to enter into polygmus(sp) relationships as they please. Freedom is freedom, whether we consider it wacky or weird or what. Problems arising from freedom can be blamed on socialism - government benefits for marriage, government certificates for marraige, entitlemnt programs and child welfare programs etc...

If government didn't define marrage and let the people define it then we wouldn't have any of these problems. IMGO

If I recall the government sent the troopos in against the mormons and threw a bunch of them in jail and prevented them from voting and all kinds of tyranny took place out there.


97 posted on 06/25/2005 4:52:55 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/scotuspropertythieving.htm)
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Michael Savage tends to make me cringe, but I think he is right when he says that the ACLU needs to be investigated under the RICO statute and all of their funding confiscated.

Regards,

102 posted on 06/25/2005 5:47:45 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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If a man lives with 5 or 6 single women, he's not breaking the law. If he tries to marry them, he is. I don't uderstand why polygamists bother with trying to get married. If they belong to a "church" that fosters such practice why not just use a private religious service and be done with it.

It may not please many people but one can do what one wants to a very large degree if one is simply quiet about it.

103 posted on 06/25/2005 5:51:24 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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ACLU Now Defends Polygamy

Oh what a shocking development. /sarcasm

113 posted on 06/25/2005 7:31:55 AM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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HELP STOP THE ACLU: By supporting a new bill recently introduced, you can help cut off taxpayer support of the ACLU...

Public Expression of Religion Act of 2005

Information here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1413875/posts

There you will find information about the bill, links to contact your congressmen and state representatives, and links to Stop the ACLU, among others.

114 posted on 06/25/2005 8:03:40 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (Stop the ACLU - Support the Public Expression of Religion Act 2005 - Call your congressmen.)
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Who DIDN"T see this coming? How many times have opponants of same sex coupling sited this very thing.

I pray someday, people will heed our warnings, instead of the old "that will never happen" BS.


127 posted on 06/25/2005 10:20:53 AM PDT by gidget7 (Get GLSEN out of our schools!!!!!!)
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As traditional marriages go, polygamy is one of the oldest.


128 posted on 06/25/2005 10:27:52 AM PDT by Junior (“Even if you are one-in-a-million, there are still 6,000 others just like you.”)
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In comments at an Ivy League school, the president of the American Civil Liberties Union has indicated that among the "fundamental rights" of people is the right to polygamous relationships -- and that the ACLU has defended and will continue to defend that right.

They aren't doing a very good job of it in Utah. Everytime there is a prosecution of a polygamist in Utah I've never heard a peep from the ACLU. No briefs filed, no amiecus curei (sp?) , no friend of the court--NOTHING.

Do you think they're just blowin' smoke?................NAH!

136 posted on 06/25/2005 12:34:49 PM PDT by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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Well, just about the only good thing about flooding the country with immigrants is that we will one day legalize polygamy, because that's what many of those immigrants are used to.

Still, I'd prefer much less immigration and crowding, even if it means monotonous monogamy.

144 posted on 06/25/2005 6:49:04 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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Thanks for the ping.


169 posted on 06/26/2005 8:52:19 AM PDT by GOPJ
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What exactly does ACLU mean?
Is it their domain to protect our property rights?


176 posted on 06/26/2005 10:10:57 AM PDT by jos65
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In comments at an Ivy League school, the president of the American Civil Liberties Union has indicated that among the "fundamental rights" of people is the right to polygamous relationships -- and that the ACLU has defended and will continue to defend that right.

That didn't take long. This was inevitable, since polygamy is less unnatural than homosexual "marriage." But there's no logical limit to the destruction of marriage since we've accepted the principle that "marriage is what we say it is."

196 posted on 06/27/2005 5:20:49 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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Nadine Strossen is lying about her lies...

It was landmark U.S. Supreme Court precedent Reynolds v. United States in 1878 that made "separation of church and state" a dubiously legitimate point of case law, but more importantly; it confirmed the Constitutionality in statutory regulation of marriage practices.

Congress, state legislatures and public referenda have statutorily determined polygamous, pederast, homosexual, and incestuous marriages are unlawful. No Constitutional Amendment restricting marriage is required to regulate "practice" according to the Reynolds decision.

Marriage is a religious "rite," not a civil "right;" a secular standard of human reproductive biology united with the Judaic Adam and Eve model of monogamy in creationist belief. Two homosexuals cannot be "monogamous" because the word denotes a biological procreation they are not capable of together; human reproductive biology is an obvious secular standard.

"…In our opinion, the statute immediately under consideration is within the legislative power of Congress. It is constitutional and valid as prescribing a rule of action for all those residing in the Territories, and in places over which the United States have exclusive control... Laws are made for the government of actions, and while they cannot interfere with mere religious belief and opinions, they may with practices... So here, as a law of the organization of society under the exclusive dominion of the United States, it is provided that plural marriages shall not be allowed..."

[Reynolds v. United States, 98 U.S. 145, 8 Otto 145, 24 L. Ed. 244 (1878).]

See also:

Late Corporation of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints v. United States, 136 U.S. 1, 10 S.Ct. 792, 34 L. Ed. 478 (1890). Revised as 140 U.S. 665, 11 S.Ct. 884, 35 L. Ed. 592 (1891).

Strossen has no intention of supporting polygyny or polyandry, it would overturn their beloved "separation of church and state" decision. She was just lying to hopefully get support for homosexual monogamous marriages. They would have no problem stabbing the idiot polygamy advocates in the back once they get what they want.

Furthermore, I don't think by some of the comments I have seen or heard anywhere that people are capable of discerning by the foggiest notion what is at stake with this.

198 posted on 06/27/2005 5:49:46 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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bump


204 posted on 06/27/2005 7:58:20 AM PDT by GOPJ
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bump


206 posted on 06/27/2005 8:05:46 AM PDT by GOPJ
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