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Yep, all that is or might be true. Or the arrival late just might have been because of the way the schedules worked out. I often get somewhere later than I had intended because I had to work later than expected - and I work on a military base. And, if Natalee did not want to spend any time with Joran...no matter how early or late he arrived...she would not have gone with him. I am sure, since it is reported that she is a very responsible girl, she would have said "Too late, I am going back to the hotel." and she would have left with her friends, not the 3 fellows. JMHO

I have travelled extensively also. I have heard the same warnings. But I have never heard of any teen who was not a gang member, part of drug cartel, etc. who has been an offender in such a situation. I think if that was Joran's MO, there would have been reports of other, previous times, or connections with unsavory types. He is a good looking boy, I doubt if he has to force foreign women to have a relationship. If this were his first attempt at such a move what would have been the motive? A short escapade on the beach does not seem to be worth it, IMO.

Besides, if Joran had helped Natalee win back some money she lost, (as one report from Deepak states) why would he rob her? Evidently he can make money gambling, what would a few dollars from Natalee, or any tourist mean to him? There are bad people there, so is also true throughout America. Friends of mine were in Detroit, and were robbed just outside their hotel...by a nice, white, American man and woman!! Nice people also live on the islands.

But, hey, thanks for your perspective. This is what makes FR great. We all ponder, bounce ideas back and forth, consider possibilities, and somewhere in the muddle we often come at least close to the truth. In all our summations there are probably elements of reality.

I have heard the same warnings. But I have never heard of any teen who was not a gang member, part of drug cartel, etc. who has been an offender in such a situation. I think if that was Joran's MO, there would have been reports of other, previous times, or connections with unsavory types. He is a good looking boy, I doubt if he has to force foreign women to have a relationship. If this were his first attempt at such a move what would have been the motive? A short escapade on the beach does not seem to be worth it, IMO.

Rape has nothing to do with love, and good looking men do it seeking power, not romance. When I went to KU years ago, I knew a good looking guy from Aruba. Indeed, he was better looking than Joran. He told many stories about their beach parties, sex with tourists, and said he never took "no" from a woman. He was one of the wildest men I have ever met, and I don't doubt for a second he raped women. I have not lived a sheltered life having spent many years in the military with Special Ops. individuals.

CitizenM, I was wondering if Joran is such a good boy and spent time with Natalee on the beach that fatal night, why would he leave her alone and not walk her home? Young kids like these, normally want to spend every minute together if there is some attraction.

I wonder also why he changed his story and the Kalpoe Bro's.? Could it just be me, but I believe (Joran) is a cold, calculating, and manipulative little Psychopath.

Pappa VDS, through his kinesis, is displaying all the signs of a player(perp) in this criminal investigation. I have to presume they all thought their lies had very long legs and would not be caught.

What is your take on this logic? I will go back into my survival bunker for a break. Gotta Fled. NSNR