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The Madrassa Myth
The New York Times ^ | 6-14-05 | By PETER BERGEN and SWATI PANDEY

Posted on 06/13/2005 10:35:35 PM PDT by Constitutionalist_by_birth

IT is one of the widespread assumptions of the war on terrorism that the Muslim religious schools known as madrassas, catering to families that are often poor, are graduating students who become terrorists. Last year, Secretary of State Colin L. Powell denounced madrassas in Pakistan and several other countries as breeding grounds for "fundamentalists and terrorists." A year earlier, Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld had queried in a leaked memorandum, "Are we capturing, killing or deterring and dissuading more terrorists every day than the madrassas and the radical clerics are recruiting, training and deploying against us?" Skip to next paragraph Readers Forum: Op-Ed Contributors

While madrassas may breed fundamentalists who have learned to recite the Koran in Arabic by rote, such schools do not teach the technical or linguistic skills necessary to be an effective terrorist. Indeed, there is little or no evidence that madrassas produce terrorists capable of attacking the West. And as a matter of national security, the United States doesn't need to worry about Muslim fundamentalists with whom we may disagree, but about terrorists who want to attack us.

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I take it these contributors to the New York Times would support federal funds to be distributed among the droves of Madrassas around the Middle East?

I mean, they're really good for our cause!

sarcasm hopefully apparent.

1 posted on 06/13/2005 10:35:35 PM PDT by Constitutionalist_by_birth
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To: Constitutionalist_by_birth

More pages to line the birdcage from the useful idiots at the NYT.


2 posted on 06/13/2005 10:40:01 PM PDT by Stonedog (I don't know what your problem is, but I bet it's difficult to pronounce.)
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The NYTimes marches on in its never-ending "non-biased" reporting--Gitmo should be closed; We're losing in Iraq; Terrorists? We don't see no stinkin' terrorists in Madrasses!


3 posted on 06/13/2005 10:41:36 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Dems, the annoying vegetarians of politics)
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Madrassas are actually a great place to send your kid if you want him to grow up well rounded and adjusted to the 21st century world around him.

These people at the NYTimes are really something.


4 posted on 06/13/2005 10:43:26 PM PDT by Constitutionalist_by_birth
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To: Constitutionalist_by_birth

I love these posts--I just let my tagline do the talkin'. :D


5 posted on 06/13/2005 10:45:41 PM PDT by Dr.Hilarious (If Al Qaeda took over the judiciary and mainstream media, would we know the difference?)
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Quote:

While madrassas may breed fundamentalists who have learned to recite the Koran in Arabic by rote, such schools do not teach the technical or linguistic skills necessary to be an effective terrorist. Indeed, there is little or no evidence that madrassas produce terrorists capable of attacking the West. And as a matter of national security, the United States doesn't need to worry about Muslim fundamentalists with whom we may disagree, but about terrorists who want to attack us.

Weaselspeak!

They may not teach the mechanics, but they instill the ideology.

I used to listen to the BBC World Service on short wave during the time of the Afghan civil war which occurred after the Soviets left.

The Taleban were invariably euphemized as "Taleban, the Afghan student movement", as though they were some kind of college fraternity.

6 posted on 06/13/2005 10:48:34 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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While madrassas may breed fundamentalists who have learned to recite the Koran in Arabic by rote, such schools do not teach the technical or linguistic skills necessary to be an effective terrorist.

No, they just indoctrinate them with the foundation of hate on which the desire to be a terrorist is built.
7 posted on 06/13/2005 10:48:38 PM PDT by Jackson Brown
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To: Constitutionalist_by_birth
Again, the NY Times demonstrates the technique of lying with half-truths. Do these schools produce trained terrorists, ready to be a suicide bomber in the nearest targeted elementary school?

No they don't. But do they turn out fanatical Muslims, who are psychologically prepared to be terrorists, with a little postgraduate work? Alas, we don't know that from this article, because the Times doesn't find that point worthy of consideration.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column: "Gitmo In, GitmoOut?"

8 posted on 06/13/2005 10:52:25 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (For copies of my speech, "Dealing with Outlaw Judges," please Freepmail me.)
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"While madrassas may breed fundamentalists who have learned to recite the Koran in Arabic by rote, such schools do not teach the technical or linguistic skills necessary to be an effective terrorist."

The reporter is correct: those particular skills are taught in the "post-graduate" programs held at special camps in remote locations of Pakistan, Iran, etc. (as well as pre-invasion Iraq and Afghanistan). The madrassas teach the prerequisite hate necessary for advancement in those places of "higher education".

9 posted on 06/13/2005 11:00:21 PM PDT by Chappaquiddick Crawdad ("E unum pluribus"? Perhaps you meant "ex uno plures", or is that "stultus sum"? hmmm...)
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Madrasas, mosques muslims, ..... equal the enemy.


10 posted on 06/13/2005 11:00:56 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: Constitutionalist_by_birth; MeekOneGOP; PhilDragoo; Happy2BMe; potlatch; ntnychik; Smartass; ...


1 - NYT's reporter Durante - Russian turncoat

2 - Jayson Blair & Howell Raines


3 - Friday, June 3, 2005 at 03:51JST
BEIJING — A New York Times researcher arrested last year on charges of leaking state secrets was recently indicted on the same charges, a Foreign Ministry spokesman said Thursday.

Credibility?


11 posted on 06/13/2005 11:02:39 PM PDT by devolve (-------------------------------------------------)
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To: Dr.Hilarious

Great tagline!


12 posted on 06/13/2005 11:02:40 PM PDT by SAJ
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What a bunch of idiocy. They assume that knowing the mechanics of terrorism is more important than instilling terrorist ideology when it comes to making terrorists and they could not be more wrong. I'd bet that there are a great many people on this very website that have the knowledge to be better terrorists than anything OBL ever turned out, but they don't have the ideology of militant hatred instilled in them and that's the key element you need to be a terrorist. A terrorist doesn't have to be an evil genius or even a very good soldier, but he does have to have a motivating rage and a rock solid faith in his cause and that's what the madrassas specialize in teaching.


13 posted on 06/13/2005 11:04:11 PM PDT by elmer fudd
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A post on an interview with Bat Ye'or yesterday was an eye opener about the collusion between the European political establishment and the Muslims in the Mideast. The common European gets nothing but a continuous dose of anti-American and anti-Isreali twisted world-view.

Savage reported tonight that a Saudi was the second largest shareholder of Fox News. He wondered just how much Saudi and Islamic money was behind some of the other major, excuse me anti-American, press.

14 posted on 06/13/2005 11:27:17 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (Some say what's good for others, the others make the goods; it's the meddlers against the peddlers)
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Apparently, the New York Slimes is in stiff competition with the BBC for the most idiotic English language newspaper in the world.
15 posted on 06/13/2005 11:29:25 PM PDT by Turbodog
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... such schools do not teach the technical or linguistic skills necessary to be an effective terrorist

How many "technical and liguistic skills" does it take to drive a car loaded with explosives? Anyway, leave the Madrassas open. CLOSE THE MOSQUES!

16 posted on 06/13/2005 11:41:51 PM PDT by mikegi
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While madrassas may breed fundamentalists who have learned to recite the Koran in Arabic by rote, such schools do not teach the technical or linguistic skills necessary to be an effective terrorist.

And the Hitler Youth didn't teach German kids to fly bombers. So what?

17 posted on 06/13/2005 11:41:58 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: Constitutionalist_by_birth

When that dope reporter asked if the White House thought the press' job was to write positive stories about the military the response should have been "And take time out from your busy anti-American propaganda schedule? Heaven forbid!"


18 posted on 06/13/2005 11:48:20 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Dems, the annoying vegetarians of politics)
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If correct, this estimate would suggest that there are far more American children being home-schooled than Pakistani boys attending madrassas.

And the relevance of that is...?? Do they think that we are raising little terrorist in our homes here in the good old USA? And it took two people to write this idiocy.

19 posted on 06/13/2005 11:51:27 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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So I guess the MYTimes is saying that the terrorists don't come from anywhere, the US just makes them because of our history of abuses or whatever in the Middle East.

And yet, they never put out a coherent argument for this--they just refer to "abuses" or whatever. These "abuses" seem to boil down to that we buy oil from the Middle East, but the "little people" never enjoy the profits.

And yet, according to the NYT, the US can't get involved in creating democracies over there so these people would have a chance to run their lives and determine what happens to those natural resources.

The envirokooks who run the MSM seem to think that if we'd just stop buying Middle Eastern oil, this would all somehow work out and the MEasterners would no longer hate us.

Or something.

But whatever you say, the Middle East is in NO WAY responsible for creating terrorists in the Middle East, that's all America's fault...somehow...

I'm starting to think the MSM don't quite have the logic of their anti-war on terror position worked out.

20 posted on 06/13/2005 11:52:26 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Dems, the annoying vegetarians of politics)
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