With Howard Dean the dems have formally graduated from "disarray" to "debacle", with "irretrievable disaster" just around the corner.
Posted on 06/11/2005 11:05:50 AM PDT by kcvl
Per Fox News...
Now you have lost me. Nothing happened to her before she got in the car. Nothing happened to her until much later. You still seem to be blaming her for the results of another actions. I don't get your "logic".
If they were 40 yrs. old and lived with us, they still would have to follow the house rules!
Do you take yours to the beach? Was hers locked up? Do you know?
The logic is this -- it's like any other crime. The bad guys need the "perfect storm" of motive, means and opportunity. You can stop a crime by denying them any one of those ingredients.
You questioned a statement that was made about crime in the NA (Netherland Antilles), where Aruba came in second in regards to the crime level. ( Aruba is second, maybe because the casinos are a huge draw, and Bonaire is (or was) third.) The crime level in and of itself might be very low, but that is where in fit in relation to the other two islands. Since there are only three islands in that group, Aruba has to come in either first, second, or third.
The hardest evidence at hand seems to be --
1. she was intoxicated at Carlos and Charlies
2. the Dutch kid was in a shoving match with some of her fellow students
3. she left with the Dutch kid and his Indian friends in a Civic
4. she was kissing with the Dutch kid in the back seat while they were parked by the beach
5. she never got back to the hotel
6. there is blood in the back of the Civic
And admittedly, some of the above is not really hard evidence at this time, since it is hearsay from defense attorneys and other dubious sources.
At this time we don't know whether she got drunk by herself or someone slipped a Roofie into her drink.
The blood might be from her period, a broken hymen, vaginal abrasion, a bloody nose, a bite, a cut, ... However, I don't think that strangulation generally results in blood.
If the blood was from sex, the sex may have been consensual or not, or it may have started out to be consensual with the first one and not the others.
She might be dead, or she might not. The authorities have not said, at least not officially.
"Mean Mom"? The young-un's will know what was done, was right, when the time is right. We are an impatient society of demanding instant gratification, verification, consolation (if less than 50% correct, or some stupid %), and praise. Raising children is supposed to be not self aggrandizing, nor is there supposed to be vicarious living of correcting your life's disappointments through your children. You get my nod and smile as part of those that do what is right, not a part of the Dr. Spock, 1960's ruined culture of family destruction. Nice job.
Yeah, I read 649. Still befuddled at his thought processes. :-)
:)
You do a terrific "Nancy Grace" :)
No new news...my sister and mom keep trying to get info, and she reacts with anger. Please just keep her in your prayers. Thanks.
I will try to get more than that soon.
That's right.
this is my last response to you since you don't even read the posts TO YOU before shooting of your mouth!!! OK... before you leave the friggin COUNTRY, ON YOUR OWN, ACTING LIKE AN ADULT, on vacation!!! sheesh... better???
READ POST 631...
"what if" games are only for when you are losing... he better knock me out cold with the first punch cause he'd have multiple .40cal holes in him!!!
I am not losing anything. It's called an analogous argument.
NO it is NOT analogous... she wasn't Wronged or Disrespected or have anything unjust done to her... she just made a bad choice...
then you ask me what i would do if somebody DID something TO ME that is against what's accepted in society???
that is NOT analogous...please try again
Actually only #5 and possibly #6 is "hardest evidence", don't you think? The rest is heresay and speculation.
It's amazing to me that in so many threads on FR that people are so quick to lay part of the blame on the victim. It's as if everyone should be as smart, have as much common sense, be as worldly as those people are the minute we all leave the womb.
only for Natalee
What a ridiculous question. If Americans committed the rape/murder of a young woman and got caught, the odds are pretty good that they WOULD be brought to justice. This young woman did not deserve to die for a mistake! From the looks of it for the last week, I think they would have covered it up in a heartbeat and will probably only want to slap the boy/boys involved on the wrists if they thought it wouldn't cost them tourism dollars.
getting in the car was STOOOPID!!! and THAT is what got her killed... what don't you understand about it???
Reminds me of Juanita Broadrick (sp?) and Bill Clinton. She's lucky she didn't commit Arkancide.
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