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To: Modernman

No....everyone has to COME TO FAITH IN CHRIST to be saved.

Predestination allows that to occur, but it is not a substitute for it.

I think a lot of our problem is you guys aren't understanding what predestination really is. It is not God choosing you and then you are done.

It is part of the salvation process clearly explained in Romans 8:29-30 that has numerous steps. It is just one step.

God's choice was completed before the foundation of the world, but the Holy Spirit still must come into our life and we must accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. Just because God chose us does not mean it is the end of things. We still must be saved after hearing the gospel because that is what changes our heart.


374 posted on 06/08/2005 3:08:58 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: rwfromkansas
No....everyone has to COME TO FAITH IN CHRIST to be saved.

If we're predestined to be saved, we'll come to Christ anyway. So, coming to Christ is purely mechanical. Christ is meaningless, in that situation.

Predestination allows that to occur, but it is not a substitute for it.

If someone is predestined to be saved, can they still decide against coming to Christ?

Just because God chose us does not mean it is the end of things. We still must be saved after hearing the gospel because that is what changes our heart.

So, we can choose or refuse salvation? I thought your argument is that it was pre-decided who would be saved and who wouldn't be?

375 posted on 06/08/2005 3:16:28 PM PDT by Modernman ("Laws are like sausages, it is better not to see them being made." -Bismarck)
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