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To: rwfromkansas
No....everyone has to COME TO FAITH IN CHRIST to be saved.

If we're predestined to be saved, we'll come to Christ anyway. So, coming to Christ is purely mechanical. Christ is meaningless, in that situation.

Predestination allows that to occur, but it is not a substitute for it.

If someone is predestined to be saved, can they still decide against coming to Christ?

Just because God chose us does not mean it is the end of things. We still must be saved after hearing the gospel because that is what changes our heart.

So, we can choose or refuse salvation? I thought your argument is that it was pre-decided who would be saved and who wouldn't be?

375 posted on 06/08/2005 3:16:28 PM PDT by Modernman ("Laws are like sausages, it is better not to see them being made." -Bismarck)
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To: Modernman

If we are predestined, we will come, but only after somebody preaches the Gospel to us. Christ is not meaningless.

If Christ had not died, there would have been no way for predestination to work and no way to reconcile us to God. God would not have looked upon us as guiltless via the sacrifice of God because there would have been no sacrifice without the Cross. Without that, we would be chosen but God would not be able to take us into heaven.

I know what you are saying, that coming to Christ seems like a meaningless thing with predestination, but it really isn't because it is the most important part of the process and something that only comes once we hear the Gospel.

People can't refuse salvation if they are predestined, no. We will embrace it willingly.


384 posted on 06/08/2005 3:47:15 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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