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Fahrenheit 2777: 9/11 has generated the mother of all conspiracy theories
Scientific American ^ | June 05, 2005 | Michael Shermer

Posted on 06/05/2005 6:22:17 PM PDT by demlosers

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To: Radioactive
"Ask yourself this question...how did a 757 fly 530 MPH 2 feet above the ground...an impossible stunt...without damaging any automobiles on the highway next to the pentagon....and no damage to the lawn in front of the pentagon.

And where are the wings?......And where are the engines?.....And where are the 5300 gallons of jet a fuel?...........And why is it that a 757 was 45 minutes out of it flight path and the military did not act?

Remember Payne Stewart?......His private jet was 12 minutes out of its flight path and the military had 2 jets flying right next to it until it hit ground."

Who says the plane was two feet above ground when it crossed the highway? It's much more likely that the plane was descending the entire time into impact, which is why it didn't significantly damage the lawn in front of the Pentagon.

The wings and engines were sheared off, smashed into small pieces, and then burned by the tremendous high-energy collision with the much heavier Pentagon building. The jet fuel went into the building and seriously burned a number of people inside the Pentagon.

You present no evidence that military jets were not trailing Flight 77 into Washington. I'll bet there were military jets trailing Flight 77 all the way into the capitol, but they did not have orders to shoot it down. That is a good question as to why they didn't have orders to shoot down Flight 77. Most likely there was just a somewhat slow decision process and in all the confusion the decision had not been made yet by Bush & Cheney. According to Cheney, the military did have orders to shoot down Flight 93 if it had continued into Washington after Flight 77. Be careful not to assume facts that are not in evidence, which is a mistake that so many conspiracy theorists make repeatedly.

Just for the record, however, I think TWA 800 was shot down by a missile as hundreds of witnesses have testified. I think that attack was covered up by the disastrous, lying, cheating Clinton Administration to take a possible campaign issue away from Bob Dole in 1996. To the Clintons, everything is about politics and power.

181 posted on 06/06/2005 6:21:35 PM PDT by carl in alaska (Blog blog bloggin' on heaven's door.....Kerry's speeches are just one big snore.)
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To: Swordmaker

Great evidence in post 176.


182 posted on 06/06/2005 6:25:32 PM PDT by carl in alaska (Blog blog bloggin' on heaven's door.....Kerry's speeches are just one big snore.)
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To: Swordmaker

Unfortunely, he will not pay any atttention to facts. He has joined the nut cases with these ridiculous theories of his.


183 posted on 06/06/2005 6:26:41 PM PDT by Kath (Luvya Dubya)
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To: Swordmaker; Radioactive
Excellent, excellent work!!!!!!! Thank you ever so much!!! I have bookmarked this thread. I am interested to "hear" what Radioactive has to say!

Radioactive, we're still waiting!

184 posted on 06/06/2005 6:35:09 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Terri Schindler wasn't in PVS, justice was!!!!!)
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To: Swordmaker

I notice Radioactive has not responded to this post. If he did I am sure he would call all those witnesses liars just as he did me when I said I had a friend at the Pentagon who saw it hit.


185 posted on 06/06/2005 6:40:18 PM PDT by Kath (Luvya Dubya)
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To: Swordmaker

OMG, they got to you too!


186 posted on 06/06/2005 6:42:46 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: dead
That is the level of intellect we are up against. We are blessed with complete morons for ideological enemies.

Compares with having a battle of wits with an unarmed person.....

(or a pi$$ing duel with a skunk....)

187 posted on 06/06/2005 6:48:59 PM PDT by dirtbiker (Solution for Terrorism: Nuke 'em 'till they glow, then shoot 'em in the dark!)
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To: Radioactive
Yes but there were no wings anywhere to be found at the Pentagon.

Just curious... when you say that "no wings were found at the pentagon" do you mean that someone has definitively stated that no wings were found at the pentagon, or just that you haven't seen picture of them?

188 posted on 06/06/2005 6:49:52 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: lodwick

9-11 and Aliens- Moving pics http://www.gallerize.com/039%209-11%20AND%20THE%20ALIEN%20QUESTION.htm


189 posted on 06/06/2005 6:52:43 PM PDT by rubofthebrush (Satan has useful idiots`)
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To: Petronski; All
I wish they'd left creationism out of it, but the March issue debunking the conspiracy theories is online 9/11: Debunking the Myths

There are nine+ pages; I hope that is the entire article.

I love conspiracy theories for their entertainment value. Some are just to wacky to bother with. I just got attacked by a chupacabra.

190 posted on 06/06/2005 6:56:52 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Swordmaker

I would be kinda of disappointed if you proved him wrong. If enough people believed that a plane didn't crash into the Pentagon then Mythbusters would have to do a show on it. It would be interesting to see how Adam and Jamie would do it.


191 posted on 06/06/2005 6:58:02 PM PDT by Swiss
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To: Swordmaker

I've seen all the same things, Swordmaker.
Thank you for posting it.

The perpetuation of myths count on a level of ignorance not possible to maintain with the internet and blogs, unless you confine yourself to DU-type echo chambers. Where there is debate there is knowledge.


192 posted on 06/06/2005 6:58:03 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: Radioactive
From "Popluar Mechanics", March 2005 Issue, In the case of Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon, one wing hit the ground, the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagons's load-bearing columns. A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into reinforced concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expect the entire wing to cut into the building, it didn't happen." The small 12 (not 16) foot hole made in the "C" ring of the Pentagon was probably made my the planes landing gear, not the fuselage. Computer simulations confirm the findings.

Believe it or not at your own risk, but if you don't, keep it to yourself, less people believe you for a fool....

193 posted on 06/06/2005 7:07:23 PM PDT by dirtbiker (Solution for Terrorism: Nuke 'em 'till they glow, then shoot 'em in the dark!)
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To: ActionNewsBill
Again, I refer to "Popluar Mechanics" March 2005 issue:

NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology) research supports the theory that WTC 7 was far more compromised by falling debris than the FEMA report indicated. Physical damage to the south face of WTC 7 consisted of about a third of the face, to the center and to the bottom, -approximately 10 floors,- or about 25% of the depth of the building was scooped out. NIST investigators believe a combination of intense fire and severe structural damage contributed to the collapse, suggesting the fall of WTC 7 is an example of "progressive collapse", a process in which the failure of parts of a structure ultimately creates strains that cause the entire building to come down. Videos of the fall of WTC 7 show cracks, or "kinks," in the building's facade just before the two penthouses disapeared into the structure, one after the other. The entire building fell in on itself, with the slumping east side of the structure pulling down the west side in a diagonal collapse.

Doesn't sound as good as "It's all Bush's fault", does it....

194 posted on 06/06/2005 7:29:13 PM PDT by dirtbiker (Solution for Terrorism: Nuke 'em 'till they glow, then shoot 'em in the dark!)
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To: Radioactive
DId you see the neat little hole made by this supposed aircraft strike?

Suprised there was a hole at all, the plane is made of mostly aluminum, which isn't that tough.

There should have been much more damage on the highway just 300 yards away...there should have been windows in the pentagon destroyed at least 80 feet on each side of the fuselage.....look at the photos........look at them damn it........

The wings sheared off on impact of the fusalage of the airplane with the building, which is several feet ahead of the wings. The wings were then dragged thru the hole in the wall of the building with the plane. By the way, numb-nuts, the windows of the Pentagon are blast proof, they did what they were designed to do.

195 posted on 06/06/2005 7:43:48 PM PDT by dirtbiker (Solution for Terrorism: Nuke 'em 'till they glow, then shoot 'em in the dark!)
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To: Radioactive
Rush thought that anyone against the patriot act was a kook too until the government used the patriot act against him with his drug use.

This "government" you refer to is an overzealous attorney general in Florida...

196 posted on 06/06/2005 7:48:49 PM PDT by dirtbiker (Solution for Terrorism: Nuke 'em 'till they glow, then shoot 'em in the dark!)
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To: Radioactive
Oh yeah?.He could not have seen the plane hit the pentagon because it was not a plane that hit.

The first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon says: "It was ABSOLUTELY a plane and I'll tell you why. I saw the marks of the plane on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." The man's name is Allyn E. Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, of Washington, DC, He further quotes: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts..."

197 posted on 06/06/2005 7:54:22 PM PDT by dirtbiker (Solution for Terrorism: Nuke 'em 'till they glow, then shoot 'em in the dark!)
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To: Radioactive
Ask yourself this question...how did a 757 fly 530 MPH 2 feet above the ground.

530 is cruising speed, more than likely he was doing closer to the stall speed, around 160-180...and where do you get this 2 feet stuff?

198 posted on 06/06/2005 7:57:24 PM PDT by dirtbiker (Solution for Terrorism: Nuke 'em 'till they glow, then shoot 'em in the dark!)
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To: dirtbiker

Yes who was directed by the federals to persue Limbaugh using the Patriot act.


199 posted on 06/06/2005 8:04:08 PM PDT by Radioactive (I'm on the radio..so I'm radioactive)
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To: Swordmaker

Been watching this thread since last night. Excellent job Swordmaker!


200 posted on 06/06/2005 8:06:34 PM PDT by A message
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