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New Plan for Drivers to Pay £1.30 a Mile (£1.30 = $2.43 at current rates)
The Sunday Times ^ | June 4, 2005 | Dipesh Gadher

Posted on 06/04/2005 8:55:42 PM PDT by quidnunc

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1 posted on 06/04/2005 8:55:42 PM PDT by quidnunc
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Coming to a state near you...


2 posted on 06/04/2005 8:57:23 PM PDT by Brian328i
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“The idea of distance[-based] charging is that instead of paying the present form of taxation, you’d be charged on the distance you go,” Darling said.

If I were to be charged for distance instead of a regular gas tax, I'd buy the biggest gas guzzling car in the country. If I'm going to be charged by the mile, I'm going to do it in ultimate comfort and luxury, and listen to the environ weenies bitch about it on my car radio.

3 posted on 06/04/2005 9:04:45 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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I commute about 60 miles a day... a charge like this would put my daily commute at almost $150 a day. Who can afford that? What is this idiot trying to do, send Britain's economy into a nose dive?


4 posted on 06/04/2005 9:06:11 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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a charge like this would put my daily commute at almost $150 a day. Who can afford that?

Politicians are really good at taking and spending other peoples money.

5 posted on 06/04/2005 9:08:43 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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Ok flame away but I actually think this is a good idea. It is a much smarter way of managing traffic than mass transit which most people don't use anyway. I know people are concerned about privacy here, but I don't think that's a valid criticism. They may be Socialists, but they're not Communists.


6 posted on 06/04/2005 9:14:46 PM PDT by ndkos (Benedict XVI - Bringing in the real springtime of Vatican II)
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How much you wanna bet they'll pay by the mile.....and the gas tax won't be completely scrapped (to be re-raised at a later date)?


7 posted on 06/04/2005 9:18:37 PM PDT by rmmcdaniell
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To: exDemMom
I commute about 60 miles a day... a charge like this would put my daily commute at almost $150 a day. Who can afford that? What is this idiot trying to do, send Britain's economy into a nose dive?

I only commute about 28 miles a day to and from work. But last year, as a field service engineer, I drove over 20,000 miles for work... What would be more than $48,600 in taxes I would have had to pay... More importantly, that would have been passed on to companies who wanted or needed to have their computers fixed.

And I wonder if anyone's bothered to check into what this would do to the prices.... well, the prices of EVERYTHING!!! I guess it never occured to the politicians who think this crap up that stuff doesn't just magicly appear at stores... I wonder what will happen when the price of milk goes up to $6.00 a gallon, or bread to $5.00 a loaf?

Mark

8 posted on 06/04/2005 9:19:04 PM PDT by MarkL (I've got a fever, and the only prescription is MORE COWBELL!!!)
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If I were to be charged for distance instead of a regular gas tax, I'd buy the biggest gas guzzling car in the country. If I'm going to be charged by the mile, I'm going to do it in ultimate comfort and luxury, and listen to the environ weenies bitch about it on my car radio.

It would be no big deal to have different rates for different cars. For instance, someone who hates gas guzzlers who's in charge might decide that if you drive a Toyota, you pay one rate, but if you drive a Hummer, you pay 3 or 4 or 20 times that rate.

Mark

9 posted on 06/04/2005 9:20:49 PM PDT by MarkL (I've got a fever, and the only prescription is MORE COWBELL!!!)
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Ok flame away but I actually think this is a good idea.

Please. Leave this country and take your stupidity with you. There are dozens of freedom-hating places where you will be happy.

10 posted on 06/04/2005 9:21:14 PM PDT by rmmcdaniell
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People will simply switch to mass transit or take a shuttle or taxi if they need to go on a long commute. The idea of a mileage based tax is to discourage long commutes by car altogether. More typical trips of 10 to 20 miles would still be $30-50 a day. That might help to cut down local car trips to perhaps once a month. If this mileage based tax becomes law in the U.K, it'll mean the end of the automobile as we know it as personal transportation that can take you anywhere.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
11 posted on 06/04/2005 9:25:43 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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Thre is NO way I could afford this. Plus won't this just caue many to move close to work ie more urbanization and all the problems associated with it or will it lead back to small town business setting up. I don't know but heck I could not afford this I drive 50 miles a day. The USA is way to large and many people drive many miles to work and live out in the rural areas because they are FREE to do so. Maybe on a little island like England this is no big deal. But there would be a revolt in this country.


12 posted on 06/04/2005 9:29:11 PM PDT by therut
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All of the EU countries have been watching the German trucker tax situation (using satellite devices and charging truckers for every 10-20 miles of use of the German autobahn system). The system has had vast numbers of problems and has quietly injected over a 300 million dollars of tax revenue into the system over the past couple of months. The sad thing is that politicans don't realize that the revenue is coming right out of the pockets of people when they shop. In the case here of the mile tax situation...the employees are going to pass this buck to the boss who is going to charge more for services or products. So the entire economy has to pump out the $2 or $3 billion dollars that will be generated. Lack of economic intelligence is readily demonstrated in this case.


13 posted on 06/04/2005 9:29:26 PM PDT by pepsionice
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C'mon, luv. You KNOW these sods can't add. Or figure the consequences of their idiocy, either.

It's not like this is some kind of surprise to you, is it? This sort of thing is absolutely inevitable, until such time as citizens decide to remove (by whichever means you please) these ''public servants'' from office. And by preference remove them to the crypt.

Perhaps the populace will stand up on their hind legs and say ''Sod off, you b*st*rds'' to this sort of policy...but the record to date is NOT encouraging in the UK.

And, I won't wonder at all when the assorted blue states here in the US do the same thing. Oregon's talking about this policy, or something very similar, right now today.

14 posted on 06/04/2005 9:31:20 PM PDT by SAJ
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Soon, technology willing, we will all be individually traced according to electronic documentation of every move that we physically make. Appropriate taxes will be enforced on an individual basis, as the violations of ever changing statutes mutate into forms we can not even dream of.

Whole cities will ban outdoor smoking, and a camera with recognition ID will link your face to your local profile, to the local office that has your fine delivered to you by the end of the same business day. We will be lucky if we get 30 days to pay. The other necessary regulations and statutes and appropriate fines will be duly legislated onto myriad other normal human activities, right down into each and everyone of our very homes..

George Orwell never envisioned what the communist totalitarian in control of the ether is going to deliver unto the earth. Beautifully, those who do this have lifetime jobs, compliments of the locals who validate their rule at the polls every cycle.
15 posted on 06/04/2005 9:31:44 PM PDT by mmercier (Aldous Leonard Huxley would be so proud.)
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Most people would not be able to afford to drive any more.

Society would have to be totally re-arranged.


16 posted on 06/04/2005 9:31:47 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it.)
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goldstategop wrote: People will simply switch to mass transit or take a shuttle or taxi if they need to go on a long commute. The idea of a mileage based tax is to discourage long commutes by car altogether. More typical trips of 10 to 20 miles would still be $30-50 a day. That might help to cut down local car trips to perhaps once a month. If this mileage based tax becomes law in the U.K, it'll mean the end of the automobile as we know it as personal transportation that can take you anywhere.

This is just the latest shot in the town-vs-countryside culture war.

The liberal townies are detrermined to destroy the country-squire lifestyle.

17 posted on 06/04/2005 9:32:40 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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Having read through the responses I see that noone has caught on yet to what this really is about. Despite the fact that the rate quoted is absolutely insane, it actually has little to do with what they are attempting to put into place.

The real kicker is in the last paragraph before the snip.

Darling is confident that the technology will be in place within the next 10-15 years for a nationwide scheme. A satellite tracking system would monitor black boxes inside every car. “Top-of-the-range cars have got satellite navigation kits fitted almost as standard now,” Darling said.

This is about one thing ladies and gentlemen, and that is control. With one of these "black boxes", not only will they be able to monitor exactly how far you've driven, but they'll also be able to pinpoint with great precision exactly where you've driven, and when.

The UK is already the most highly monitored nation in the (somewhat) free world. This plan will ensure that this will expand exponentially in the future. There are kooks trying to institute this stuff here too. Britain is going to be the testbed for absolute citizen control, then it will be exported across the pond bit by bit.

Claire Wolfe was wrong.

18 posted on 06/04/2005 9:32:51 PM PDT by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side...... We have cookies!)
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Kind of funny how all these driving taxes I hear about have the side effect of tracking your car at all times. Why not just go the whole route, let's chip people and have a walking tax and bike riding tax.


19 posted on 06/04/2005 9:32:54 PM PDT by grizzly84
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People will simply switch to mass transit or take a shuttle or taxi if they need to go on a long commute.

Or move into the cities (cages) like the socialists always wanted. People are easier to control when they're stuffed into nice, neat packages.

20 posted on 06/04/2005 9:37:00 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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