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Serbia shocked by video showing Srebrenica shootings
The Guardian ^ | June 3, 2005 | Agencies in Belgrade

Posted on 06/02/2005 8:54:24 PM PDT by Hoplite

Agencies in Belgrade
Friday June 3, 2005
The Guardian

They are the images that have finally, 10 years later, shocked a nation. A man, several men, are unloaded from a truck, marched to a wooded hillside and shot, one by one, in the back. Two prisoners are ordered to carry the bodies to a barn. They too are then executed. The murder of thousands of Bosnian Muslims from Srebrenica in the summer of 1995 is well documented. But a video that emerged this week during the trial of the former Serbian president, Slobodan Milosevic, has provoked a bout of soul-searching in Serbia, parts of which are still in denial over the horrors of the Bosnian war.

The footage was the first such graphic material from the massacre in Srebrenica to be shown in the country, where more than half of the population refuses to believe it even took place, according to a poll last month. "Serbia is deeply shocked," President Boris Tadic said. "Those images are proof of a monstrous crime committed against persons of a different religion. And the guilty had walked as free men until now."

Eight alleged former members of a Serb paramilitary group, the Scorpions, filmed actually carrying out the murders, have been arrested on the strength of the footage, officials said yesterday.

The faces of the perpetrators can be seen and their insults to the Muslims heard. The film was shot by a member of the Scorpions.

"The killers had walked freely among us, on our streets, behaving as if they were ordinary, honorable citizens," Mr Tadic said. "All those who committed war crimes must be held accountable; only in this way will we be able to have a future. We must not close our eyes to the cruelty that took place."

He added that the crimes at Srebrenica "were carried out in the name of our nation".

"But crimes are always individual and the perpetrators of these monstrous crimes must be punished."

Srebrenica was overrun by Bosnian Serb forces in July 1995, with UN peacekeepers powerless to stop their advance. Some 8,000 Bosnian men and boys were led away to their deaths, survivors telling of how they were lined up and shot in several batches, then buried in mass graves.

The prime minister, Vojislav Kostunica, called the executions a "disgraceful".

UN prosecutors say the killings in the video footage took place on Mount Treskavica near the wartime Bosnian Serb capital, Pale, which is south-west of Srebrenica. The Scorpions were allegedly under orders from Serbian police in Belgrade and the link could directly tie Mr Milosevic with the crimes committed in Bosnia.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: balkans; bosnia; ihoppy; kosovo; milosevic; muslims; pancakeboy; scorpions; scumsuckingjihadist; serbia; serbs; sorosfluffers; srebrenica; toothlessdhimmi
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To: dj_animal_2000

Bingo. You nailed it right there.


121 posted on 06/03/2005 2:05:35 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: Hunble

Wrong. A PW (Prison of War) are enemy personnel,in or out of uniform, who carry arms openly. Where does it say that battle-field executions are legally justified?


122 posted on 06/03/2005 2:20:07 PM PDT by Tommyjo
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To: Hunble

Does your link have any malware? Can you ascertain this?


123 posted on 06/03/2005 2:41:22 PM PDT by joan
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To: montyspython

Why did Popeyes chicken cross the road?


124 posted on 06/03/2005 2:43:21 PM PDT by ma bell ("Take me to the Brig. I want to see the "real Marines". Major General Chesty Puller, USMC)
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To: DTA

You recall how many times the muslims staged attacks onto their own population? Why doesnt this shock me the muslims "wore Serbian/BSA uniforms" like they have done in the past and "videotaped" this act?


125 posted on 06/03/2005 2:47:19 PM PDT by ma bell ("Take me to the Brig. I want to see the "real Marines". Major General Chesty Puller, USMC)
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To: Destro

Like I said: Not our idea of justice but maybe the headhunter jihadis had it coming, eh?



of course they did.
you know it as soon as you hear that they are muslims.

I tire of this 'there are good muslims' out there.
I don't believe it.
NOT for a SECOND.

it's NOT a religion of peace, it's a religion of murder.
the serbians were right and WE were wrong.


126 posted on 06/03/2005 3:10:25 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (Please don't squeeze the Koran. I gotta go to the bathroom.)
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To: jb6

"...the leaders of the KLA liquidated their political opponents; old blood feuds were settled, and Albanian civilians were executed by the Albanians themselves.."



you just don't get it...
these are very important 'moral' issues to be settled within the muslim faith. Blood feuds, honor killings, pogroms and beheadings of the infidels.

THEY are the cause of virtually every trouble spot on the planet. I think it's becoming increasingly apparent that Islam lies at the root of the problem planetwide and as such, has to be eradicated... like its fellow travelors, nazism and fascism.


127 posted on 06/03/2005 3:20:24 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (Please don't squeeze the Koran. I gotta go to the bathroom.)
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To: Tommyjo

rules of war.
enemy spies or sabateurs NOT in military uniform can be shot without a trial.

are NOT prisoners of war, and have no 'geneva convention' protections.

get over it.

fwiw... all deaths on the battle field ARE battle-field executions, spies or not, uniforms or not.

WAR is hell.
KILL The bad guys.
In this case, the muslims.... again.


128 posted on 06/03/2005 3:30:24 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (Please don't squeeze the Koran. I gotta go to the bathroom.)
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To: Robert_Paulson2
rules of war.
enemy spies or sabateurs NOT in military uniform can be shot without a trial.

are NOT prisoners of war, and have no 'geneva convention' protections.

I refer you to post #83.

Your assertions are demonstrably incorrect.

129 posted on 06/03/2005 3:44:25 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: getoffmylawn
Joan has frequently denied that Serbs have ever committed crimes.

As for the rest of your post, my thoughts on Srebrenica are these:

Nowhere near 7,000 were executed...most were killed in the running battles during the retreat to ABiH lines around Kladanj...at most, 2,000 were executed after being captured.

The Serbs were out for revenge for the attacks committed by Oric's Torbashi, in and around Srebrenica, where they used UN Safe Haven status to conduct raids into Serb villages.

130 posted on 06/03/2005 3:53:19 PM PDT by Diocletian
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To: Hoplite

nah they are correct.
line em up, and let em have it.

you are debating with some folks, like me, who don't care a rip about your muslim buddies. NOT A RIP.

these guys are just a handful of dead al quaida we don't have to worry about later.

and don't bother telling me, 'the al quaida weren't in this region' because your supposed facts don't square with reality.

islam is incompatible with civilization.
and so are it's defenders.
tell somebody who cares or believes islamist lies to the dhimmis.

I don't.
Most americans don't either.

eventually it is very very likely that your meccan black rock will become a smoking crater... and islamics will be forcibly converted planet wide.

both steps would advance humnanity by light years.
Its a religion of murder.


131 posted on 06/03/2005 4:09:05 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (Please don't squeeze the Koran. I gotta go to the bathroom.)
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To: Robert_Paulson2
nah they are correct.

Excellent - when confronted with evidence to the contrary, simply disregard it and wax ignorant some more.

No worries Robert, I won't waste anymore of your time.

132 posted on 06/03/2005 4:31:14 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite; Robert_Paulson2
Citing artice 3 is well and good, but perhaps Article 2 should be reviewed as well!

"ARTICLE 2 In addition to the provisions which shall be implemented in peace time, the present Convention shall apply to all cases of declared war or of any other armed conflict which may arise between two or more of the High Contracting Parties, even if the state of war is not recognized by one of them.

The Convention shall also apply to all cases of partial or total occupation of the territory of a High Contracting Party, even if the said occupation meets with no armed resistance.

Although one of the Powers in conflict may not be a party to the present Convention, the Powers who are parties thereto shall remain bound by it in their mutual relations. They shall furthermore be bound by the Convention in relation to the said Power, if the latter accepts and applies the provisions thereof."

Did any of the waring parties sign the Geneva Accords?

Was the Bosnian Government a defacto signatory as one of the succesor states of Yugoslavia?

133 posted on 06/03/2005 4:51:03 PM PDT by F-117A
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To: Hoplite

thanks.


134 posted on 06/03/2005 5:18:50 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (Please don't squeeze the Koran. I gotta go to the bathroom.)
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To: monday
"Really? and who died and made you God?"

That would be Jesus. Any self appointed court is welcome to tell us what it thinks is justice, and to try to enforce it too, if they want to die, which they are free to. And when I see injustice anywhere, I'm free to kill the bastards or to call on my government - which is my delegated agent for such matters - to do so. Anyone confused on this point is welcome to try crossing me. There is no impunity for injustice anywhere in the world, not in the stars or in states. I've signed no contract pledging I won't kill or remove tyrants wherever I find them, whenever it suits me, and neither have the rest of the American people. I have no obligations whatever to any foreign government. Not to let them oppress their neighbors, not to let them oppress their citizens, not to leave them alone. I can and will get in their face whenever I jolly well please. And if they don't like it, they can take it up with the Marine corps.

135 posted on 06/03/2005 5:35:47 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: DTA

You bring up some great points.


136 posted on 06/03/2005 7:09:17 PM PDT by getoffmylawn (Don't *bleep* with Ozzie Guillen. Go White Sox! Give 'em hell, Ozzie!)
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To: Hoplite
Oh, wait - was your Bosnian fighter making his statement during World War II?

I hope the scarcasm makes you feel better. Sorry, if you don't like what he said - but there is nothing I can do about that. He said what he said, and it had the effect on me that I posted.

BTW, the reference to 'your Bosnian fighter' is simply childish.

137 posted on 06/03/2005 7:16:27 PM PDT by Northern Alliance
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To: Diocletian
Exactly. This is exactly why Srebrenitsa took place. However, the video showing Naser Orich and his thugs raiding and murdering Serbs around Srebrenitsa will never get anywhere near as much airtime as this one.

It is a fact that Bosnian Muslims committed gruesome atrocities against Bosnian Serbs, but I have yet to see ONE Muslim stand trial.

It is not politically correct to investigate these crimes, I guess. The image of Bosnian Muslim 'angels' has to remain untarnished.

138 posted on 06/03/2005 7:30:20 PM PDT by Banat ("You've got two empty 'alves of coconut, and you're banging 'em together!")
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To: Cicero
But in Bosnia the Muslims committed more atrocities than the Serbs, and in Kosovo the Albanian terrorists committed, and continue to commit, more atrocities than the Serbs.

I think you're probably correct, but the Serbs lost the PR war, a fact which led to disasterous consequences for the Serb nation.
139 posted on 06/03/2005 7:35:46 PM PDT by hispanichoosier
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To: Robert_Paulson2

These executed Muslims were on a lits of criminals - they operated in gang of headhunters. They were the ones rounded up and rightly executed. The vast majority of the Muslim soldiers killed in Srebrenica were killed on their version of Kuwait's highway of death - shelled and ambushed as they retreated.


140 posted on 06/03/2005 8:44:16 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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