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U.S., Russian troops become fast comrades
Stars and Stripes European edition ^ | June 3, 2005 | Ben Murray

Posted on 06/02/2005 7:42:52 PM PDT by mdittmar

Edited on 06/02/2005 9:15:02 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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T72's were a joke,thank God.

Between November 1990 and January 1991, 4th Tank Battalion was mobilized in support of Operation Desert Shield/Storm. Elements of the battalion were "in country" and combat ready within 32 days of activation. During the Gulf War mobilization, the 4th Tank Battalion, a United States Marine Corps Reserve unit in the 4th Marine Division, successfully transitioned from the M-60 to the M1-A1 Main Battle Tank in just 45 days. The battalion trained, shot and qualified, then deployed to the Gulf where it fought alongside its active Marine Corps counterparts. Indeed, one of its companies knocked out 35 of 36 Iraqi tanks in less than five minutes.

My brothers unit.

1 posted on 06/02/2005 7:42:52 PM PDT by mdittmar
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I feel sorry for Russian troops, they are so poorly treated, it's good they can have some fun for a change.....


2 posted on 06/02/2005 7:44:21 PM PDT by littlelilac
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To: mdittmar

Americans are REALLY stupid.


3 posted on 06/02/2005 7:46:27 PM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: littlelilac

I'm torn, joint US and Russian forces - is this bad for the US or bad for the Russians ie. Putin as in maybe Russian troops could turn on a Russian authoritarian regime, you know what they say, how do you keep them down on the farm once they have seen Paris.....


4 posted on 06/02/2005 7:46:34 PM PDT by littlelilac
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To: littlelilac
I feel sorry for Russian troops, they are so poorly treated, it's good they can have some fun for a change.....

So do I. I've heard so many horror stories about how they are treated and how their pay is so slow in coming...things like that.

5 posted on 06/02/2005 7:52:24 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: littlelilac

I'm all for training them on some of our stuff, but don't teach them everything we know. It could be turned on us in the future.


6 posted on 06/02/2005 7:54:02 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: pbrown

Comrades?


7 posted on 06/02/2005 7:54:14 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Don't Tread on Me; Live Free or Die)
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To: ducks1944; Ragtime Cowgirl; Alamo-Girl; TrueBeliever9; anniegetyourgun; maestro; TEXOKIE; ...
There’s just no better way to say ‘I trust you’ to a former Cold War adversary than to hand him the keys to your fully-loaded Abrams tank and show him how to pull the trigger.

But such was the situation Thursday at the Grafenwöhr training area as Russian and American soldiers took part in a historic training program at the U.S. facility, where enlistees from both armies were paired together for the first time in a joint live-fire operation in Germany.

8 posted on 06/02/2005 7:55:03 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: littlelilac; pbrown

Save your sorrys for us,Russsia sold those T72's to Iraq.


9 posted on 06/02/2005 7:55:21 PM PDT by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served, to keep us free.)
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To: ZULU
Americans are REALLY stupid.

You are confusing a people with their government.

10 posted on 06/02/2005 7:57:44 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: littlelilac
I feel sorry for Russian troops, they are so poorly treated, it's good they can have some fun for a change.....

Their rec facilities are quite limited. No bowling balls, but they make do ;-)

11 posted on 06/02/2005 7:57:48 PM PDT by struwwelpeter
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“I think ... a lot of the soldiers will be friends for a long time,” said Spc. Daniel Manor, a translator from the 501st Military Intelligence Battalion.

There you have it. They're planting seeds today for harvest 20 or 30 years from now.

12 posted on 06/02/2005 7:58:37 PM PDT by Cameronite (Native Texan)
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To: jb6

ping


13 posted on 06/02/2005 7:59:31 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: pbrown

They already know everything we know. Mostly.


14 posted on 06/02/2005 8:03:35 PM PDT by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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To: mdittmar

I think it's a great idea. Face it, we don't have anything they don't know about and they don't have anything we don't know about. Anyone who thinks differently is crazy. I think Russian and American troops WOULD get along great.


15 posted on 06/02/2005 8:06:35 PM PDT by McGavin999
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"...with the goal of eventually allowing them to perform large-scale joint combat operations."

"Hmm I don't like the sound of that"

16 posted on 06/02/2005 8:10:17 PM PDT by Conservative Firster
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To: McGavin999

Call me crazy, but I think the jury is still out on Russia's conversion to a free society. It's a great idea to form personal ties/friendships with future leaders in the Russian military, but I also think we should be very careful here.


17 posted on 06/02/2005 8:14:27 PM PDT by Death and Taxes
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To: littlelilac
I'm torn, joint US and Russian forces

Russia is still the largest country in the world in terms of land-size and it is rich in natural resources--including oil. Once the potential oil fields in Siberia are developed over the next 10 years, Russian may turn out to have more oil reserves than Saudi Arabia. An oil pipeline to a Siberian port would mean a short transport by tanker to the US.

Who would you rather the US buy its oil from--a bunch of Islamofascists or Russians? Joint military exercises might be very useful in establishing a mutually favorable atmosphere in future trade agreements.

Then there is the question of China. Sometime over the next 10 years it will begin to flex its military muscle in Asia. And it is desparate for oil and other resources for its economy. Will the Chinese play nice with the Russians, or will the Chicoms decide that some of the Siberian territory on their border, rich with natural resources, should really belong to China? With the Bear and the Eagle allied against the Dragon, the Dragon loses.

18 posted on 06/02/2005 8:17:08 PM PDT by stripes1776
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To: Sender
They already know everything we know. Mostly.

Then I guess there's not much harm in it.

I do feel sorry for them though.

19 posted on 06/02/2005 8:17:50 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: McGavin999
"Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer."?

How Machiavellian of you;)

20 posted on 06/02/2005 8:20:47 PM PDT by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served, to keep us free.)
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