Dinosaur bones show T. rex link to birds

Reuters ^ | 2005-06-02 | Maggie Fox

[Reaganwuzthebest]

acording to Bob Bacher chickens ARE little Dinosaurs

Quite a few actually are convinced all birds are not necessarily descendants but are a branch of the dinosaur family that survived. It does seem believable when you look at their features and compare them to that of the extinct dinosaurs.

[tahotdog]

PS. I actually know the researcher who discovered the fossilized soft tissue.

Any shot at getting this stuff radiocarbon dated? I know, I know, in theory it shouldn't radiocarbon date at all, but just for jollies.

[AntiGuv]

I'll pass the suggestion along if I get the chance. FWIW, I was told that there's another Science article coming soon that presents this latest research, so that might provide more insight and may very well already include the type of tests you recommend.

[Wacka]

Creationist/ID heads exploding in 5...4...3...2...1...

[King Prout]

carbon14 dating is useless for that timeframe. IIRC, C14 dating's utility bottoms out at about 50,00 years, due to radioisotope depletion.

Radioisotopes of other elements... potassium?... allow for the dating of much older materials.

[AntiGuv]

Well, I wouldn't be able to do much more than make an idle suggestion, but what would be the point? As you note, radiometric dating cannot be applied if the necessary isotopes aren't present..

[furball4paws]

Phooey, anaerobic bacteria would digest it in a heartbeat. The conditions must been really acid, basic or cold for it to last ansd somewhere the guy got autoclaved, preserving the tissue.

Could happen, I guess.

[King Prout]

agh. 50,000 years

[Dimensio]

Why not?

[furball4paws]

P.S., Oxygen doesn't burn. I take it's been a long time since you took Chemistry.

[Dimensio]

Ah, but we already know from creation science statistics that when the odds against an event are "one in a million", the event is completely and totally impossible.

[Dimensio]

Ah, but now you're assuming that it's older than C14 dating can measure! Proof of a conspiracy, I tells ya, proof!

(I thought that creationists discounted C14 dating anyway?)

[dread78645]

Soft tissue surviving for ...68 million years!?...

That's what it sounds like. This team had to deliberately crack a bone in half to get it on the helicopter and that unique "problem" gave them the opportunity to look inside.
BTW, the tissue wasn't soft at the outset, it had to be re-hydrated to become pliable.

[King Prout]

IIRC, the YEC crowd has this novel notion that C14 dating is perfectly accurate right up to 6-10,000 years ago, and then suddenly becomes utterly bogus.

[TKDietz]

I keep thinking of Jurassic Park. It would be pretty cool if they could clone a T-Rex.

[corkoman]

How can soft tissue still be soft (or exist) after 68 million years? It can't.

Oh really. Please share your insights on this absolute.

[dread78645]

heads exploding in 5...4...3...2...1...

Won't change a thing. That mule's nose breaks 2x4s.

[Stark_GOP]

Nice to hear from you. I see being wrong hasn't hurt your sense of humor. (laughing as I type)

Riddle me this Batman.
How can the hemoglobin (red blood cells) not turn to dust in 68 million years?

Can some 'smart apple' out there get me the percentage of water in hemoglobin. That is the major component of the 'soft tissue' we are talking about?

[gundog]

Cripes!

[dread78645]

I keep thinking of Jurassic Park. It would be pretty cool if they could clone a T-Rex.

Well -- it does solves the hazard of cloning 6 ton mosquitoes

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