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Milton Friedman: Legalize It! (The Budgetary Implications of Marijuana Prohibition)
Forbes.Com ^ | June 2, 2005

Posted on 06/02/2005 4:40:30 AM PDT by Wolfie

Milton Friedman: Legalize It!

SAN FRANCISCO, CA - A founding father of the Reagan Revolution has put his John Hancock on a pro-pot report.

Milton Friedman leads a list of more than 500 economists from around the U.S. who today will publicly endorse a Harvard University economist's report on the costs of marijuana prohibition and the potential revenue gains from the U.S. government instead legalizing it and taxing its sale. Ending prohibition enforcement would save $7.7 billion in combined state and federal spending, the report says, while taxation would yield up to $6.2 billion a year.

The report, "The Budgetary Implications of Marijuana Prohibition," ( available at www.prohibitioncosts.org ) was written by Jeffrey A. Miron, a professor at Harvard , and largely paid for by the Marijuana Policy Project ( MPP ), a Washington, D.C., group advocating the review and liberalization of marijuana laws.

At times the report uses some debatable assumptions: For instance, Miron assumes a single figure for every type of arrest, for example, but the average pot bust is likely cheaper than bringing in a murder or kidnapping suspect. Friedman and other economists, however, say the overall work is some of the best yet done on the costs of the war on marijuana.

At 92, Friedman is revered as one of the great champions of free-market capitalism during the years of U.S. rivalry with Communism. He is also passionate about the need to legalize marijuana, among other drugs, for both financial and moral reasons.

"There is no logical basis for the prohibition of marijuana," the economist says, "$7.7 billion is a lot of money, but that is one of the lesser evils. Our failure to successfully enforce these laws is responsible for the deaths of thousands of people in Colombia. I haven't even included the harm to young people. It's absolutely disgraceful to think of picking up a 22-year-old for smoking pot. More disgraceful is the denial of marijuana for medical purposes."

Securing the signatures of Friedman, along with economists from Cornell, Stanford and Yale universities, among others, is a coup for the MPP, a group largely interested in widening and publicizing debate over the usefulness of laws against pot.

If the laws change, large beneficiaries might include large agricultural groups like Archer Daniels Midland and ConAgra Foods as potential growers or distributors and liquor businesses like Constellation Brands and Allied Domecq, which understand the distribution of intoxicants. Surprisingly, Home Depot and other home gardening centers would not particularly benefit, according to the report, which projects that few people would grow their own marijuana, the same way few people distill whiskey at home. Canada's large-scale domestic marijuana growing industry ( see "Inside Dope" ) suggests otherwise, however.

The report will likely not sway all minds. The White House Office of Drug Control Policy recently published an analysis of marijuana incarceration that states that "most people in prison for marijuana are violent criminals, repeat offenders, traffickers or all of the above." The office declined to comment on the marijuana economics study, however, without first analyzing the study's methodology.

Friedman's advocacy on the issue is limited--the nonagenarian prefers to write these days on the need for school choice, calling U.S. literacy levels "absolutely criminal...only sustained because of the power of the teachers' unions." Yet his thinking on legalizing drugs extends well past any MPP debate or the kind of liberalization favored by most advocates.

"I've long been in favor of legalizing all drugs," he says, but not because of the standard libertarian arguments for unrestricted personal freedom. "Look at the factual consequences: The harm done and the corruption created by these laws...the costs are one of the lesser evils."

Not that a man of his years expects reason to triumph. Any added revenues from taxing legal marijuana would almost certainly be more than spent, by this or any other Congress.

"Deficits are the only thing that keeps this Congress from spending more" says Friedman. "Republicans are no different from Democrats. Spending is the easiest way to buy votes." A sober assessment indeed.


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To: muawiyah; ActionNewsBill

Not to be a pain but...

If Al Gore, in his 'extra chromosome" comment was referring to his opponents, how can that be racist, when his perceived opponents are of every race, sex, and nationality?


161 posted on 06/03/2005 4:53:02 AM PDT by Alia
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To: Alia

The ONDCP is the Office of National Drug Control Policy. It is headed by the "Drug Czar". It is basically a propaganda office, required by law to support the current federal drug policy. That's why they send people to the states to campaign against MM reform initiatives. Now think about that. In a supposedly self-governing country where the government responds to public opinion we have a government agency who's stated mission is to influence and form public opinion.


162 posted on 06/03/2005 7:02:52 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: muawiyah
When you find someone in federal prison on an MJ charge it's because his lawyer managed to get a plea bargain going that resulted in many more serious charges being dropped.

Evidence, please. I wouldn't doubt that there are a few people that are in there for only an MJ charge and were plea bargained down, but I believe there are far more people in there that had not committed any more serious crime than having the wrong kind of natural plant in their pocket.
163 posted on 06/03/2005 8:21:07 AM PDT by Quick1
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To: muawiyah

Sure they do. But since they're responsible about it, you never hear about it.


164 posted on 06/03/2005 8:22:04 AM PDT by Quick1
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To: alicewonders
As long as an individual is not having a negative impact on society violating anyone's rights, the government should stay out of their life.

"Negative impact" is too broad an exception ... ugly people have a negative impact on society, but it's not proper for government to force masks on them.

165 posted on 06/03/2005 11:37:30 AM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: PGalt
the cost of irrational behavior on individuals, families and nations is incalculable.

So you'd let the government decide what behavior is irrational, and ban it? Sounds like a recipe for totalitarianism to me; the Soviets were known for declaring dissidents mentally ill, i.e. irrational, and institutionalizing them.

166 posted on 06/03/2005 11:39:39 AM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: muawiyah
personal experience with druggies who, when they wake up, light up.

I've had personal experience with alkies who, when they wake up, tip bottoms up. Is that sufficient reason to ban alcohol?

167 posted on 06/03/2005 11:41:04 AM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Alia
But on the down-to-earth side; adults who are stoned and responsible for the harm to children -- will happily pay the lawsuit fees and "civil charges" against the stoner and their families, maybe even their corporations.

The crime is harm to children whether it is done while using pot, alcohol, or nothing at all (which is most common). We need to have laws against actions, not inanimate objects. All pro-weed-probition arguments apply to a much stronger extent to alcohol. So pro-weed-probition supporters are stuck with supporting completely inconsistent, hypocritical and misguided logic or they are forced into supporting alcohol prohibition.

A person is responsible for their own wrongdoings whether they are under the influence of alcohol, weed, or stupidity.

168 posted on 06/03/2005 12:30:37 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: Redleg Duke
Would you potheads just give it a rest!

Would you illogical bigots just give it a rest?

169 posted on 06/03/2005 12:33:36 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: OldFriend
Well, I just can't wait till the school bus driver negotiates our steep hills and curves while on pot.

Thankfully your school bus driver can now only legally negotiate your steep hills and curves while on alcohol.

Can't you people see your arguments are inconsistent and nonsensical.

170 posted on 06/03/2005 12:41:37 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: muawiyah
"Responsible adults" don't use MJ.

Do "responsible adults" drink alcohol (a much more dangerous and physically addictive substance)?

Can't you people see your arguments are silly, bigoted, and inconsistent.

171 posted on 06/03/2005 12:44:18 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: muawiyah
Well, there's that, of course, and then there's our own personal experience with druggies who, when they wake up, light up. The folks pushing for MJ legalizations have to understand that the rest of us are not stupid ~ we live here as well.

There are far more people who wake up and drink up (alcohol) - so, you are either for alcohol prohibition or you hold a very hypocritical, inconsistent, and illogical position.

BTW: Do you call all people who drink alcohol drunks? Or do you save that bit of bigotry only for marijuana?

172 posted on 06/03/2005 12:48:45 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: PGalt
Looking at it through economic eye$, he may be consistent, but the cost of irrational behavior on individuals, families and nations is incalculable.

You are talking about alcohol - correct? You are a alcohol prohibition warrior?

173 posted on 06/03/2005 12:51:29 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: alicewonders
Why can't we get back to America - Home of the Free? As long as an individual is not having a negative impact on society, the government should stay out of their life.

I make this argument over and over and because of it the Prohibition Warriors on Free Republic tell me I am not conservative (at least under their warped definition)

The Prohibition Warriors actually believe Mommy-government social engineering laws are "conservative"

174 posted on 06/03/2005 12:56:02 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog
I see your point; No argument. Except for one: Children. Would you have any problem with grown-ups giving pot to kids? Especially, other people's kids? That's an action. And the million dollar question.. I'm trying not to laugh -- but I do wonder... with all this talk about second hand smoke, there usually isn't "second-hand alcohol vapors" to affect anyone else.

What do you think about... The Contact High? Do you think children in a room with adults smoking pot; get high too? By proximity? Do you think there should be an "age" limit on purchasing and using pot? (Putting aside the "medical" aspect for the moment.)

175 posted on 06/03/2005 12:56:53 PM PDT by Alia
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To: Alia
I see your point; No argument. Except for one: Children. Would you have any problem with grown-ups giving pot to kids?

Of course I would - just as I have problems with grownups giving alcohol to kids or grownups giving cigarettes to kids or grownups giving pornography to kids or grown ups giving the keys to their car to children. This really has no direct or exclusive relationship to the Wild Wood Weed. MaryJane is not the only thing I feel should not be given to kids.

Especially, other people's kids? That's an action.

Just as giving alcohol to other people's kids is an action.

I'm trying not to laugh -- but I do wonder... with all this talk about second hand smoke, there usually isn't "second-hand alcohol vapors" to affect anyone else.

If you don't want to get a second-hand buzz, don't stand near people smoking weed (and I don't think smoking weed on an airplane is a good idea although it would likely improve the experience). If you don't want somebody saying stupid things to you or trying to pick a fight with you, don't hang around people drinking alcohol.

What do you think about... The Contact High? Do you think children in a room with adults smoking pot; get high too? By proximity?

Well, it is illegal to bring your kids to some bars and I don't bring my kids in to watch while I have sex with my wife so I think this type of issue is already being dealt with. The arguments sound as thought some believe if they make pot legal they will also remove everybody's brain. But taking your statement seriously - it is illegal to give kids alcohol and when pot is legal the same will most likely be true so if your kids are getting high from your second-hand weed smoke, you are breaking the law (but you are going to have to smoke weed like Bob Marley or Snoop Dogg if you are going to get people high with second hand smoke)

Do you think there should be an "age" limit on purchasing and using pot? (Putting aside the "medical" aspect for the moment.)

Absolutely. Unemancipated children do not have the same rights as emancipated adults.

BTW: when they ended alcohol prohibition (see: War on Booze) and made alcohol legal in the 1933 - did you ask the same questions? (play along, I am pretty sure you were not alive back then but you get the point)

176 posted on 06/03/2005 1:21:56 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: Quick1

You can believe what you want, but if you really believe Department of Justice spends money, time and law enforcement resources chasing down guys for MJ, you don't have a clue.


177 posted on 06/03/2005 3:03:18 PM PDT by muawiyah (q)
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To: Know your rights
Hey, if you don't want the government to decide what irrational behavior might be, then what about me?

I'll figure it out for you, and if you qualify, chain you to my basement wall for whatever period of time is necessary to bring you around to a rational point of view.

Now, tell me about that government part. I always love to hear how the government would never permit me to do that!

178 posted on 06/03/2005 3:06:02 PM PDT by muawiyah (q)
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To: Know your rights

Probably.


179 posted on 06/03/2005 3:07:05 PM PDT by muawiyah (q)
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To: Last Visible Dog
You will have to explain that "bigoted" part to me a little better.

Use of that word implies that you "believe" drugs, and that could be a problem. (LMAOROTF).

180 posted on 06/03/2005 3:08:33 PM PDT by muawiyah (q)
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