[Haru Hara Haruko]

Libertarians fail to also see that many so-called private "choices" actually do have an effect on others against their will. For example, gay issues. So-called gay rights means my child must be instructed to be respectful of homosexuality, my business must not discriminate in hiring, my tax dollars must pay for benefits etc.

Did you ever hear a Libertairian, or a real Republican, for that matter, advocate for any sort of gay indoctrination? Which would you rather have, some kind of watered down state-run "morality," or true freedom of religion and association?

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

I have never heard them fight against it. Never. They only argue with the gay activists, never against them. I've never heard a Libertarian really argue for freedom as it seems the Founders defined it. They just want license. Anarchy. They are also relativists. I don't want any part of their mess. Besides, like I said before, they need to START with the money issue. As long as we all bear the financial burden for the failures of a few, liberty for some equals tyranny for others. When bad choices mean bad consequences -- a direct relationship -- then we can talk. Until then Libertarianism is nothing but fuel to the tyranny fire.