Posted on 05/29/2005 8:21:52 AM PDT by nwrep
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Initial reports show a turnout of 25%. Last polls before voting began show the No vote leading by 56% to 44%.
I really don't understand how the other countries that have ratified it have done so. Don't these people realize they are giving up their identity?
At the same time european socialism cries out for this union, doesn't it? What better way to create a Marxist like continent then to put them all under one jurisdiction. Imagine the U.N. running the continent of Europe. Won't that be the result of the EU?
I'm not sure what one currency or another would have to do with it- if they're one 'diplomatically', one diplomat represents the interests of the one EU.
I imagine a unified Euro block with more than one UN seat would leave open the possibility for those seats to express different opinions and thus become a source of divisiveness within the EU. But I don't know, maybe the currency thing is really that important to them.
diplomacy would require the unity of one ecconomic power. That is if they were to have one, legally binding for all 25, voice. This would allow ecconomic sanctions/rewards to be more efficiently used. It would also make it far more possible to make the euro the world's reserve currency and the eu's bully stick.
Amazing. Although I do recall reading that this was what they were going to do if they lost - simply ignore the results, get around it with other forms of regulation, and perhaps, if they felt strenghthened, call for another vote later to get the "right" result.
not unexpected, they now want to rack up as many "yes" in order to presser the no nations to revote.
I think the "no" people should push for larger margins.
Look for a future entire europe vote with a europe wide total controlling the final decision. (no local denial of one EU)
A "heavily regulated free market eurocracy"? Talk about the ULTIMATE oxymoron. What a crock. How dare you make crass generalizations about under-educated "sub par" Americans. We knew enough to know this constitution was going to go down in flames.
Thank you for the update!!
I choked on that one too, N.
What sadly most Europeans don't get - is that they don't have a clue. No wonder they are in such an economic malaise.
I think I see what you mean. I was under the impression that the EU would be able to control any currencies the member states used, but it would be much simpler to have only one currency to control- centrally.
I'm interested how the Eu intends to control dissent among the members on issues of foreign (and domestic, I suppose) issues, especially if they were to have a 'unified' voice in the UN.
What happens if there's another Iraq (such as Syria or Iran) and some EU members want to go in and some don't- how will they represent their position to the UN council, or to the rest of the world, for that matter?
for Anonymoussierra
"What we have here is more then just a vote. Situation goes back further in time. There was a time when most European countries decided not to be part of European Union, their governments just push their agenda onto them. Today as it was before, politicians are selling their own for 30 silver coins. These coins are quite rare, they shine and they pollute their hearts. Yesterday vote is testament to a simple fact of living; most people in Europe are tired and fed up with a socialist system. Nonetheless this is struggle between Franco and English dominations and this has been going on since beginning of time"
Thank you all
Only a European drunk with the stale wine of statism would make such a statement with a straight face!
What the Eurabians still don't get is the pre-eminence of Individual Rights over anything that the bureaucrats can create, or governments can give. It is a simple idea, but sometimes simple ideas are hard to grasp.
All the convoluted bureaucratic machinations of the EU are nothing more than re-arranging the chairs on the deck of a sinking ship, for that is exactly what this once great continent has become, with the possible exception of Great Britain.
That is because the EU is an oxymoron - free market yet regulated - that is its problem, my sub par fellow American. Sort of like how NAFTA is about free trade yet is regulated like hell.
Yes, it is a "heavily regulated free market eurocracy "- it is what the EU has become - it is an oxymoron. Like I wrote in another post - the EU is a mutation - a many headed hydra - neither one thing nor the other. It is a mess.
I needed a feel good story today !
A little song, a little dance...
A little seltzer down his pants!
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