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It will be very interesting to see how many votes she does receive. This hasn't been widely discussed, but if it is indeed 60, or more Yeas, then the whole Dem argument against her, and also in favor of her filabuster, is destroyed.

So, will all 55 Republicans vote for her? I think so. Then how many Dem votes will she get, and especially important, how many of them will be from the gang of 14? I think there will be a few other surprise votes in her favor.

If you want to play "whip" along with us, name the Dem votes you thik she'll receive. Not sure what else is on the agenda today. Other judicial nominees, or will Frist call up Bolton? Will Reid try and gum up things..or try to show he willing to be "bipartisan?" ( yeah, sorry..my bad..stupid question)

Also, of note..in case the Senate starts later, Sen Isaackson is scheule live on C-span 1..the call-in segment, at 9:40 , to talk about judicial nominees. Though I wanted Cain to win the Senate seat, I was very impressed with his comments on the Senate floor during the debate.

Another issue I'd like your thoughts on. Do you think Byrd will retire, or run again in 2006? Passed on his performance, and appearance, these past few days, I think he retires. He doesn't seem to have the stamina.

1 posted on 05/25/2005 4:04:23 AM PDT by ken5050
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2 posted on 05/25/2005 4:04:49 AM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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Thanks for the thread! Can't wait to see what Hilliary! does....


3 posted on 05/25/2005 4:05:05 AM PDT by mewzilla
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The Over/Under for "Yea" votes is set at 57.
5 posted on 05/25/2005 4:06:50 AM PDT by TexasNative2000 (When it's all said and done, someone starts another conversation.)
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She gets 63 votes...


10 posted on 05/25/2005 4:11:49 AM PDT by demlosers
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I believe that the vote is scheduled for noon.


11 posted on 05/25/2005 4:12:20 AM PDT by pookie18 (Clinton Happens!)
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Good morning all......

My guess is 60 votes for approval.


14 posted on 05/25/2005 4:19:17 AM PDT by Chuck54 (Real courage is when you know you're licked before you begin, but you begin anyway. - Harper Lee)
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Tuesday, May 24, 2005

The Senate convened at 9:45 a.m. and adjourned at 6:57 p.m. One record vote was taken.

Next Senate meeting:

Wednesday, May 25, 2005

9:30 a.m.: Convene and begin a period of morning business.

Thereafter, proceed to Executive Session and resume consideration of the nomination of Priscilla Owen to be U.S. Circuit Judge for the Fifth Circuit.




LIVE THREAD FOR TODAY.
16 posted on 05/25/2005 4:21:36 AM PDT by OXENinFLA ("And that [Atomic] bomb is a filibuster" ~~~ Sen. Lieberman 1-4-95)
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Thanks for the thread, Ken.

Click Executive Calendar for the daily calendar. Click on the Executive Calendar link in the main frame and it opens a .pdf file that lists resolutions, treaties, and nominations scheduled for the day.

[PRISCILLA RICHMAN OWEN (CAL. NO. 71)] Ordered, That at 10:30 a.m., on Wednesday, May 25, 2005, the Senate resume consideration of the nomination of Priscilla Richman Owen, of Texas, to be United States Circuit Court Judge for the Fifth Circuit, and the time until 12 noon be equally divided between the two Leaders or their designees; provided further, that at 12 noon all time be expired under Rule XXII and the Senate proceed to the vote on the confirmation of the nomination, with no intervening action or debate; provided further, that following that vote the President be immediately notified of the Senate's action.

20 posted on 05/25/2005 4:25:22 AM PDT by Unknown Freeper (Doing my part...)
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21 posted on 05/25/2005 4:32:44 AM PDT by tiredoflaundry ("Harry Reid in stripes, I kinda like that image." -Tagline courtesy of DFU. Thanks!)
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OK, I'll play.

I don't think there's a snowball's chance the Dems will let her get more than 59 votes.

I'll go out on a limb and say she gets all 55 pubbies, no Dems.

55-45...though it's very likely some dems will avoid the vote.


23 posted on 05/25/2005 4:42:38 AM PDT by Timeout (Dean & the Bike Path Left: aging anti-warriors who use "summer" as a verb~~Jonah)
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Bush needs to find some more, even more right-wing FEMALE judges, asap. Or else Myers, Saad and any other white male will never again sit on a Federal bench.


30 posted on 05/25/2005 5:00:35 AM PDT by montag813
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May 25, 1787 - Constitutional Convention convenes and elects officers.
Some attendees later predict the pitfalls and hazards that their modern day successors might very well succumb to.
31 posted on 05/25/2005 5:04:52 AM PDT by jla
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Do you think Byrd will retire, or run again in 2006?

If the Laut can be resurrected, then Byrd can serve another term. Seriously, there will be a lot of pressure on him to run again because WV is trending red and Republicans would have a good chance at a pick up in that state, IMO.

32 posted on 05/25/2005 5:05:59 AM PDT by randita
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We'll see something today , could be good ,... but,I'll bet it'll be "cover tactics"


36 posted on 05/25/2005 5:19:37 AM PDT by Dad yer funny
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The word "debate" is used, but the dysfunction is "refusal to vote." Every Senator knows where they stand on the nomination. There is no need for further persuasive debate.

In parliamentary proceedings, there is no way to separate debate from the vote. A matter is brought before the body, and can be disposed of in several ways. It can be tabled by a simple majority for a variety of reasons (could the Senate table the nomination of officer by the President?), or ruled as not in the scope of the body's charter.

If the matter is taken to debate, the debate will follow the rules of the body. Sometimes, cloture is required or desired. Its function is to reduce the amount of debate before taking the vote. Its function is emphatically NOT to avoid the vote altogether. Cloture is used to give power to the objections of members who have not had opportunity to speak, or who remain undecided on the matter because they have not heard enough debate. The need for debate is to faciltiate individual decision making, and once the members are firm in their convictions, the time for voting is ripe.

What the DEMs in the Senate have done is permit extended debate, followed with refual to vote. This is parliamentary dysfunction.


I predict Owen winning confirmation, but with fewer than 60 votes. If she gets more than 60 votes, the cloture charade is blown wide open, even to people who are clueless about the whys and wherefores of parliamentary procedure, Senate Rules, and the Constitution of the United States of America.
40 posted on 05/25/2005 5:22:27 AM PDT by Cboldt
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Mr. FRIST. Tomorrow, following morning business, the Senate will resume consideration of Priscilla Owen to be U.S. circuit judge for the Fifth Circuit. Under a previous agreement, at 12 noon tomorrow, we will proceed to the vote on the confirmation.

Following the vote on the Owen nomination, it is my expectation that we will move forward with the nomination of John Bolton to be ambassador to the United Nations. Our colleagues on the other side of the aisle have indicated they would need a good deal of time to debate the nomination. We plan to complete action on the Bolton nomination this week, and I will work with the Democratic leader to lock in a time agreement on the nomination.

Mr. REID. Mr. President, if the distinguished majority leader will yield, I think it is appropriate that we have this vote at noon. We would have been willing to have it earlier. This way the committees can go about their business. I know I have a ranking members meeting at 12. So this will work out perfect. Even though we are waiting for the vote, I think this will work out well for the schedule.

Mr. FRIST. Mr. President, we have a good plan for the remainder of the week with that vote and proceeding with the nomination of John Bolton.

42 posted on 05/25/2005 5:25:09 AM PDT by Cboldt
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At least 60. At most 80.


46 posted on 05/25/2005 5:28:15 AM PDT by Raycpa
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I'll say 58 votes, but that may be a bit low.


47 posted on 05/25/2005 5:29:33 AM PDT by TheBigB (These aren't the droids you're looking for...)
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My guess is 59 - 6 of the 7 Dems from the gang of 14 and 53 Republicans with two RINO defections.


49 posted on 05/25/2005 5:33:25 AM PDT by rwa265
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My guess is that no Dems will vote for her. That way they can vote against her if the President nominates her for the SCOTUS. It will be 55-45 IMO.


57 posted on 05/25/2005 5:41:22 AM PDT by toomanygrasshoppers
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