Materialists do say that it just randomly came about. You remember....Maybe lightening...maybe protein soup...maybe a snowball in a hot place.... Sheesh.
It's obvious that my car is a complex system and that it didn't make itself. It is not illogical at all to apply that same observation to other complex systems.
Earlier generations of life forms DID HAVE reproducing/replicating systems. Otherwise, you wouldn't be talking about them.
You don't read much that's posted to you, do you?
No they don't. Please stop telling falsehoods.
Sounds pretty backward to me.
With your misunderstandings, it may well "sound" that way.
"We don't know what it is, but here's how it came about? (Uhhhh, how what came about?)
You are grossly misrepresenting a position you obviously don't know much about. Please consider going off and learning something about it before you try again.
"Well, how life came about." (What is this life that you're trying to look like an expert on?) "We don't know.
Please do not post your misconceptions as if they actually represented anyone's position. This is a "straw man" fallacy, and you're just being obnoxious -- not to mention bearing false witness.
(Then how in the world can you describe how it came about?) "Because....because we're scientists, and we're allowed to do that." (Riiiiggghhhht!)
Now you're just being an insulting jerk by putting your lies in someone else's mouth. Stop it. No, that is *not* the scientific position -- not even remotely close.
Materialists do say that it just randomly came about. You remember....Maybe lightening...maybe protein soup...maybe a snowball in a hot place.... Sheesh.
You are obviously vastly ignorant of the state of the art in abiogenesis research. Not that this stops you from spouting off, I see...
It's obvious that my car is a complex system and that it didn't make itself.
Because we *know* how cars are made, and that we make them. This is *NOT* the case for the kinds of complex systems we find in nature, which are very *different* in countless ways from the kinds of systems that we *do* know were actually "made".
It is not illogical at all to apply that same observation to other complex systems.
Yes, actually it is. *Especially* when, as even the creationists are quick to point out, we *CAN'T* build functional living organisms. So by what bizarre line of "reasoning" do you therefore conclude that they "must" have been "built" at all?
Creationist "logic": "We know that cars are the kinds of complex things that are built, because people do build them. People can't build complex living things. Complex living things aren't at all like the kinds of things we know *are* built. Therefore, complex living things were built too. QED."
Sorry, not only do I not find that convincing, I find it jaw-droppingly illogical.